The most powerful military powers

[Bobin]

It's all just people killing machinery...
<snip>
Conclusion: Not even nukes will wake you... We're Screwed!..

You just gave me the realization that the most powerful nation on Earth is some small quiet country somewhere that has little or no military, which no one even wants to bother with, no one has any reason to declare war on, and all the people are happy.

Norway perhaps?

[myron myron]

I turn my back for a single moment and the childlike ‘my weapons are bigger than your weapons’ . starts up again.

That's what this thread, started by the Colonel, is all about.

See thread title.

[myron myron]

The carriers have been specifically designed to have a low radar cross section. This is the same with our new Daring Class Destroyers.

This means they can legitimately referred to as "stealth".

Colonel - As with the Typhoon, some reduction in radar cross-section does not mean that the carriers are stealth.

Low RCS is stealth technology.

That is not to say they are invisible. But it is a significant advantage.

Yeah right.

Reduced RCS is not stealth technology.

And it is of little use in an aircraft carrier unless all the airplanes it carries will be stealth and all the other vessels in the carrier group will be stealth -- which will not be the case with the future British carriers.

[myron myron]

I turn my back for a single moment and the childlike ‘my weapons are bigger than your weapons’ . starts up again.

Cambridge – The Harrier is not ASTOL (whatever that is). It is VSTOL (Vertical/Short Take-off and Landing). The F-35B is an ASTOVL (Advanced Short Take-off and Vertical Landing) aircraft.

Myron and Bobin – The Global Firepower website has some very strange figures in it, e.g. available military manpower seems to equate to the entire male population of each country, and what on earth do airports, railways, waterways, roadways and land area have to do with firepower?

Did neither of you read the note stating that:-
“Nuclear weapons, past and present military experience, training and equipment quality are NOT taken into account.”
As far as I am concerned, that makes the rankings meaningless.

Colonel – The new carriers will not be stealth, as you claimed, but the F-35 Lightning II aircraft do incorporate stealth technology derived from the F-22 Raptor.

Your ridiculous assertion that Britannia still rules the waves (as well as the rest of the world) shows that you live in a fantasy world, and that you have megalomaniac tendencies.

The carriers have been specifically designed to have a low radar cross section. This is the same with our new Daring Class Destroyers.

This means they can legitimately referred to as "stealth".

I know what you are likely to say - but this is an advantage that no US carrier or destroyer has.

Just because you to refer to it as "stealth" does not make it so.

Stealth technology is an American invention which is currently deployed only by the American military: we define the term.

In any event, stealth would be of little to no value on an aircraft carrier that can be seen easily by airborne and satellite reconaissance.

The USS San Antionio-class of assault ships already in service do indeed employ real stealth technology.

You have no clue what the United States military presently has in service and even less clue what the Americans will have in service before the first of Britain's planned equipment is deployed years from now.

You can't even properly equip your soldiers currently in harm's way.

Ignorant jackass.

[Cambridge]

It's all just people killing machinery...
<snip>
Conclusion: Not even nukes will wake you... We're Screwed!..

You just gave me the realization that the most powerful nation on Earth is some small quiet country somewhere that has little or no military, which no one even wants to bother with, no one has any reason to declare war on, and all the people are happy.

Norway perhaps?

Yet another person realizes that Cos is one of the most brilliant contributors to this site. His ways are unorthodox, but his truth and logic are unassailable.

Keep in mind that there are other posters who make their intellectual contributions this way:

Ignorant jackass.

[myron myron]

I turn my back for a single moment and the childlike ‘my weapons are bigger than your weapons’ . starts up again.

Cambridge – The Harrier is not ASTOL (whatever that is). It is VSTOL (Vertical/Short Take-off and Landing). The F-35B is an ASTOVL (Advanced Short Take-off and Vertical Landing) aircraft.

Myron and Bobin – The Global Firepower website has some very strange figures in it, e.g. available military manpower seems to equate to the entire male population of each country, and what on earth do airports, railways, waterways, roadways and land area have to do with firepower?

Did neither of you read the note stating that:-
“Nuclear weapons, past and present military experience, training and equipment quality are NOT taken into account.”
As far as I am concerned, that makes the rankings meaningless.

Colonel – The new carriers will not be stealth, as you claimed, but the F-35 Lightning II aircraft do incorporate stealth technology derived from the F-22 Raptor.

Your ridiculous assertion that Britannia still rules the waves (as well as the rest of the world) shows that you live in a fantasy world, and that you have megalomaniac tendencies.

The carriers have been specifically designed to have a low radar cross section. This is the same with our new Daring Class Destroyers.

This means they can legitimately referred to as "stealth".

I know what you are likely to say - but this is an advantage that no US carrier or destroyer has.

Just because you to refer to it as "stealth" does not make it so.

Stealth technology is an American invention which is currently deployed only by the American military: we define the term.

In any event, stealth would be of little to no value on an aircraft carrier that can be seen easily by airborne and satellite reconaissance.

The USS San Antionio-class of assault ships already in service do indeed employ real stealth technology.

You have no clue what the United States military presently has in service and even less clue what the Americans will have in service before the first of Britain's planned equipment is deployed years from now.

You can't even properly equip your soldiers currently in harm's way.

Ignorant jackass.

[cosmicB]

I need to ramble on for this one, not that I haven't before... I'll see what I wrote after I've written it... "Rambling" is better known as "food for thought"...


The best stealth is to not be there, but with the mind's silent unrestricted abilities...

I.E.: I have things, "monsters", not yet physical, yet partially functional in the physical realms, who can inform me of an approaching offensive, and perform for me in the physical, giving me the op to deal it out, from even a thousand miles away.. is when the "big-hand" can be initiated into operation, to crush a bully monkey's psyche, long before the assailant can even get close to here...
I offered to teach it, and much-more, to the Canadian and America militaries, decades ago, but it seems they all can't fathom this much reality and truth, nor have they any of the high-powered love required to effect such honest life-powers ("sorcery")... The offer is now closed... They seem to get better millage out of wiggling their fingers in their bums, then sniffing it... Seems it makes them smile a lot, and triggers them to reminisce old friendships and affections...
Seems no one wanted the real powers... Seems they are all content with pyrotechnics and prayer to propel their message bullets and bombs of peace and love...

The thing is, if I had have taught them how to use the mind as weapons, whilst teaching them love.. eventually they would have seen that love and peace is much more powerful than hate and war.. Too powerful for them to even consider handling, fearing that love would burn them...
They are so much into pursuing and exploring their collective and personal weaknesses, that they can't even begin to access any love, power, honesty, and reality... Their bosses command them to kill, and what, and how, and they obey the puppeteer who holds their strings, paychecks, and retirement packages...

Thing is, no matter what the reason a soldier kills an innocent it's still murder.. and what is it your christianity says about the final judgments placed upon one who has murdered..?
Governments don't pay their soldiers enough, to do what forfeits them the afterlife... War not only spreads hell, it feeds people to hell...
Have you ever noticed..? that the great leaders who pursue wars generally die extremely painful deaths of cancer, and accidental dismemberments..? And their bloodlines fall into the same plight, as a pattern... It might be termed "karma".. but I think it's something greater than karma... It almost seems to be a disease..? Maybe it's massive adult level Herpes at its peak, directing humans to fulfill its herpes prime directive...
I've noted that humans who are extremely herpes infested tend to have seriously unstable psychotic personalities.. conducive to initiating and maintaining wars... And I've said it before.. It seems that the leaders of war are adults who, when they were babies, bit the nipple while being breastfed, and sucked blood till they were pried off, thereby being suddenly instantly weaned, and got no more warm close mummy cuddles and no more lovely breast milk.. and as result blame the whole world for their personal lack of love and affection, and feel the need to destroy the world in vendetta for their pains and sorrows and losses...
I believe that all the war is just 700 nipple biters who punctured the nipple, and tasted blood, and mutated into demons...
If humanity deleted that 700, war would vanish, and peace could begin to happen.. and we might even give matriarchy a chance to run the human race.. and maybe Woman could and would pull humanity out of insanity and hell..? Maybe the great matriarchy is long overdue..? Maybe Man prevented it.. prevented natural progression, treating it like it were unnatural regression..? Maybe the whole reason why humanity is in such a big mess is because Woman was cheated out of her path in Life.. by those 700 money-sucking blood-sucking assholes..?

The easiest way to eliminate war would be to extinct money, and replace it with honest barter.. and those who aren't worth their salt don't get any.. which is why money can't be tampered with.. All the unloved assholes would die, unless they were proficient at conniving, manipulating, and stealing, and not getting caught... "politician", for short...


I hope you understood what I wrote.. cuz I sure don't...
So when you have figured what it is I wrote, please let me know...
Maybe it was all just garbage..? Seems it's all about garbage, so it must Be garbage..?

[The Colonel]

[The Colonel]

As for the USS San Antonio class - the technology is the same you stupid fuckwit!!!!

You are such a FOOL!

And I also LOVE this bit:

"Nearly 2 years after commissioning, problems persist with this first in class vessel. On 27 January 2006, a contract worth over $6,000,000 was awarded to Norfolk Shipbuilding and Drydock Co., for the Post-Shakedown Availability of USS San Antonio. Work was expected to be completed by April 2007. On 22 June 2007, Secretary of the Navy Donald Winter sent a letter to Northrop Grumman outlining problems with the ship, from leaks to steerage issues, stating, "Twenty-three months after commissioning of LPD 17, the Navy still does not have a mission-capable ship."

THE UNITED KINGDOM DOES!

[The Colonel]

The design incorporates state-of-the-art self-defense capabilities; and includes facilities for Command and Control, Communications, Computers, and Intelligence (C4I); and reduced radar cross-section signature technologies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_class_amphibious_transport_dock

Yes, myron, you are CORRECT.

Low RCS is REAL STEALTH TECHNOLOGY!

[The Colonel]

The amazing HMS Daring Class:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1279903,00.html

"Her advanced stealth technology also provides extra protection - when the 500ft ship is picked up on radar it appears as small as a fishing boat."

[myron myron]

The amazing HMS Daring Class:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1279903,00.html

"Her advanced stealth technology also provides extra protection - when the 500ft ship is picked up on radar it appears as small as a fishing boat."

But when the 500 ft ship is picked up by airborne or satellite reconnaissance, it appears 500 ft.

[myron myron]

As for the USS San Antonio class - the technology is the same you stupid fuckwit!!!!

You are such a FOOL!

And I also LOVE this bit:

"Nearly 2 years after commissioning, problems persist with this first in class vessel. On 27 January 2006, a contract worth over $6,000,000 was awarded to Norfolk Shipbuilding and Drydock Co., for the Post-Shakedown Availability of USS San Antonio. Work was expected to be completed by April 2007. On 22 June 2007, Secretary of the Navy Donald Winter sent a letter to Northrop Grumman outlining problems with the ship, from leaks to steerage issues, stating, "Twenty-three months after commissioning of LPD 17, the Navy still does not have a mission-capable ship."

THE UNITED KINGDOM DOES!

The UK has no ship comparable to the USS San Antonio, which is not a destroyer but a first-of-its-kind amphibious assault platform much more complex than a destroyer.

The USS San Antonio is presently in service.

No military in the history of the world compares to the power of the United States military -- not even close.

Britain is, and always will be, comparatively little league.

[myron myron]

The carriers have been specifically designed to have a low radar cross section. This is the same with our new Daring Class Destroyers.

This means they can legitimately referred to as "stealth".

Colonel - As with the Typhoon, some reduction in radar cross-section does not mean that the carriers are stealth.

Low RCS is stealth technology.

That is not to say they are invisible. But it is a significant advantage.

Yeah right.

Reduced RCS is not stealth technology.

And it is of little use in an aircraft carrier unless all the airplanes it carries will be stealth and all the other vessels in the carrier group will be stealth -- which will not be the case with the future British carriers.

The carriers are stealth as will be virtually all future RN warships, excluding the RFA. We will have a stealth carrier group and we will have aircraft with stealth technology.

No US carrier or naval aircraft has any such technology.

Thus - a future war with the US and UK on one side and lets say "Turkistan" on the other.

The US carriers will be detected as the massive blobs of outdated metal they are, the UK carriers will be detected but will appear significantly reduced.

Turkistan's Supreme Commander will, like any sensible commander, dispatch his attack vessels and aircraft to intercept the most visible threat on radar.

That will be the US carriers. They will then be damaged or sunk.

The UK carriers will hopefully avoid such an attack as the concentration of firepower will not be on them. The UK will then successfully strike - and win the war.

You really are so thick it is unbelievable.

Can't expect much more from a bald Turkish salesman I suppose...

The American nuclear-powered supercarriers are not deployed alone but in "carrier battle groups."

Only America has aircraft with Stealth technology in service today: we invented Stealth.

No military in the history of the world compares to the power of the United States military -- not even close.

Britain is, and always will be, comparatively little league.

Every Brit officer and retired officer knows this, except those who lost their minds and have been sectioned.

[Rebman]

The way this thread is going, it perhaps more properly belongs in the Stupid Posts.