. wrote:The towers collapsed the way they did because of the way they were designed. It wouldn't be very good design if they fell sideways would it? Designers of skyscrapers don't like their buildings falling sideways and the outer shell makes sure that isn't going to happen. You try bringing down a skyscraper without sending a plane into it to explode tons of aviation fuel inside it. You can't. You bring it down floor by floor using hundreds of iron workers or cut into supports to detonate timed charges. Someone chopping into support beams on every side and up and down a skyscraper is going to be noticed. Honest.
It was not "standard" practice to send fighters to escort every airplane that was off course and in fact the statements in that article show a terrible understanding of civil aviation and airspace control. Fighters would be scrambled if protected airspace was intruded on, maybe, if they had someone ready to fly. The aircraft would have a fine, a FAA report to fill out and possibly lose their license, but fighters didn't scramble everytime some aircraft went off it's IFR course.
As far as Bush having a role because some company that a friend works at did some work in Katrina and Iraq is like blaming me for the Bopal disaster because I company I own stock in bought some of the P&E of a company that built the chemical plant in India.
Nefarious wrote:
Ok - fine - but what about the use of the air force one codes? What's that all about?
. wrote:Incidently you don't "punch in" any codes when you are flying. The cockpit of a plane has enough buttons and lights in it without some encrypted nonsense installed in every tower just in case the President happens by. You talk to tower control on the correct published frequency for their tower. If they are busy the tower requests you change to an alternate frequency that has less traffic on it. You get into a standard pattern for the airport and land when your turn comes up.
Oh, there are many buttons and lights that tell you how the engine(s) are doing and to check what planes are around you, as well as what the weather is and you need to know where you are and what to say when you're asked for information, but it's not some mystery story like that article seems to think, it's just common sense ways to keep planes flying safely as cheaply as possible without endangering anyone and to get out of the way when an emergency happens, or the President happens to pass by.
. wrote:Nefarious wrote:
Ok - fine - but what about the use of the air force one codes? What's that all about?
Are you suggesting that someone used the code for Airforce One illegally? Are you aware of what the two VC-25A planes, tail numbers 28000 and 29000 that the president uses special secret "code" is? It's "Airforce One" when he's on it... and the tail numbers when he's not on it.
If you have to have every GA and CA pilot know they just lost landing priority and every tower controller in the country know that they have to divert all traffic, you use a code everyone knows. If it's a secret then it's probably the best known secret in the world.
Sometimes I'm amazed at what passes as scholarship.
. wrote:If you won't take my word for it go to the AOPA site and ask someone.
(Aircraft Owner and Pilots Association)
Scrambling jets assumes pilots are on duty with checklists completed and ready to fly covering all of the USA. It's a bad assumption. The USA was at peace and hadn't had an attack on it's airspace since WWII, Pearl Harbor was the last time I believe. There are about 50K aircraft flying everyday over US airspace and for the most part none of them are doing anything wrong.
The planes didn't go into restricted airspace (such as camp david or the whitehouse) which might get a fighter into the air. They just violated tracon airspace around the airports in NY without getting permission from the towers. This happens fairly often and wasn't anything to scramble a fighter jet over, yet. Fighters, even if they are scrambled can't shoot down a civilian aircraft without direct President approval anyway.
It wasn't until almost noon that even Airforce One had fighter cover. In other words the President of the United States was flying around for an hour before they could get a fighter up to guard his plane.
It appears that two fighters got into the air to go after the hijacked planes, but it was only minutes before the first plane hit the tower and with the transponder off on the hijacked plane the fighters (100+ miles away) couldn't have found the airplanes anyway.
Nefarious wrote:What efforts were made to intercept the plane that hit the pentagon and also the one that crashed in PA?
Nefarious wrote:I'm not suggesting anything - I was asking what the meaning was behind the following quote 'Furthermore, itâs a fact that Air Force One codes were known and punched in by a rogue source on 9/11'.
. wrote:The towers collapsed the way they did because of the way they were designed. It wouldn't be very good design if they fell sideways would it? Designers of skyscrapers don't like their buildings falling sideways and the outer shell makes sure that isn't going to happen. You try bringing down a skyscraper without sending a plane into it to explode tons of aviation fuel inside it. You can't. You bring it down floor by floor using hundreds of iron workers or cut into supports to detonate timed charges. Someone chopping into support beams on every side and up and down a skyscraper is going to be noticed. Honest.
It was not "standard" practice to send fighters to escort every airplane that was off course and in fact the statements in that article show a terrible understanding of civil aviation and airspace control. Fighters would be scrambled if protected airspace was intruded on, maybe, if they had someone ready to fly. The aircraft would have a fine, a FAA report to fill out and possibly lose their license, but fighters didn't scramble everytime some aircraft went off it's IFR course.
As far as Bush having a role because some company that a friend works at did some work in Katrina and Iraq is like blaming me for the Bopal disaster because I company I own stock in bought some of the P&E of a company that built the chemical plant in India.
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