9/11 The Truth - We Have Been Deceived

[Guest]

Coincidence.

It is only becuase you live in a democracy that you were able to print that.,

Had you lived under some regimes with whom we are at war, you would have been fed through a meat mincer...alive!!

[Guest]

Nothing to those conspiracy theories, all have been thoroughly debunked.

Debunked? By Whom and When?

Write me a page reply with some valuable quotes proving the've been debunked by 5pm noon tommorrow

[Guest]

http://www.wtc7.net/pullit.html

"Pulling" Building 7

A PBS documentary about the 9/11/01 attack, America Rebuilds, features an interview with the leaseholder of the destroyed WTC complex, Larry Silverstein. In it, the elderly developer makes the following statement:
I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.

This statement seems to suggest that the FDNY decided to demolish the building in accordance with Silverstein's suggestion, since the phrase "pull it" in this context seems to mean to demolish the building. At least that interpretation appears to be supported by a statement by a Ground Zero worker in the same documentary:
... we're getting ready to pull the building six.

Building 6 was one of the badly damaged low-rise buildings in the WTC complex that had to be demolished as part of the cleanup operation.

An alternative interpretation of Silverstein's statement is that "pull it" refers to withdrawing firefighters from the building. However, according to FEMA's report there were no manual firefighting operations in Building 7, so there would not have been any firefighters to "pull" -- at least not from inside the building.
WTC 7 collapsed approximately 7 hours after the collapse of WTC 1. Preliminary indications were that, due to lack of water, no manual firefighting actions were taken by FDNY.

That Silverstein would admit that officials intentionally demolished Building 7 is bizarre for a number of reasons. Silverstein Properties Inc. had already won an $861 million claim for the loss of the building in a terrorist incident. FEMA's report states that the cause of building's collapse was fires. Presumably FEMA and the insurance company would be interested in knowing if the building was instead demolished by the FDNY. Moreover, the logistics of rigging a skyscraper for demolition in the space of a few hours would be daunting to say the least, particularly given that demolition teams would have to work around fires and smoke.
An Overlooked Explanation

A third explanation is less obvious but makes sense of the non-sequiturs in the above explanations: perhaps Silverstein's statement was calculated to confuse the issue of what actually happened to Building 7. By suggesting that it was demolished by the FDNY as a safety measure, it provides an alternative to the only logical explanation -- that it was rigged for demolition before the attack. The absurdity of the FDNY implementing a plan to "pull" Building 7 on the afternoon of 9/11/01 will escape most people, who neither grasp the technical complexity of engineering the controlled demolition of a skyscraper, nor its contradiction with FEMA's account of the collapse, nor the thorough illlegality of such an operation. Thus the idea that officials decided to "pull" Building 7 after the attack serves as a distraction from the inescapable logic that the building's demolition was planned in advance of the attack, and was therefore part of an inside job to destroy the entire WTC complex.

Web research supports the theory that Silverstein's remark was part of a calculated distraction. The pull-it remark is copied by hundreds of websites, many citing the remark from the Ground Zero worker about Building 6 as proof that to 'pull' means to demolish. However, searching sites specific to the demolition trade does not support this meaning of 'pull'. The following Google searches of the two best known controlled demolition sites in October of 2003 did not return any results indicating that pulling and demolition are synonymous.

* site:controlled-demolition.com pull
* site:implosionworld.com pull

Searching Google with the query demolition pull and filtering out sites referring to the Silverstein pull-it remark returns only one result in about 10 pages of results that uses 'pull' to mean demolish:

City staff have contacted the property owner by phone to request that he obtain a demolition permit and pull down and demolish the building

A review of the numerous websites that assert that Silverstein's remark constituted an admission of demolishing WTC 7 is revealing. Few such sites note that the physical characteristics of the collapse exactly match conventional demolitions, or that fires have never before or since felled steel-framed high-rise buildings -- two facts that constitute an overwhealming case for the controlled demolition of WTC 7. Instead, the pull-it controversy seems to have created a distraction, eclipsing the case for controlled demolition.

[Guest]

Nothing to those conspiracy theories, all have been thoroughly debunked.

Debunked? By Whom and When?

Write me a page reply with some valuable quotes proving the've been debunked by 5pm noon tommorrow

You prove to us that the 'conspiracy theories' are true by 5pm tommorow.
Oh, that is right... you can't. It's just fun to dream up conspiracies and go around talking about them as if you know more than the average person.
You are an idiot. You have nothing to prove any claim you have made. You take the word of 1 witnessthat suits your point of view, and ignore the thousands of other witnesses that do not.

The thing I really love about these conpiracy doc's is how they all start off the same... "I once, like you, sought answers, sought to prove people wrong and that 9/11 happened the way they said it did. However, after thousands of hours of research, I discovered an unsettling truth".

Haha yeah right. And one individual could find out the truth but the 9/11 commission with access to classified information couldn't?
What a load of horse S***. It is a sales pitch and you have just been conned into spending your dignity.

[Guest]

Nothing to those conspiracy theories, all have been thoroughly debunked.

Debunked? By Whom and When?

Write me a page reply with some valuable quotes proving the've been debunked by 5pm noon tommorrow

You prove to us that the 'conspiracy theories' are true by 5pm tommorow.
Oh, that is right... you can't. It's just fun to dream up conspiracies and go around talking about them as if you know more than the average person.
You are an idiot. You have nothing to prove any claim you have made. You take the word of 1 witnessthat suits your point of view, and ignore the thousands of other witnesses that do not.

The thing I really love about these conpiracy doc's is how they all start off the same... "I once, like you, sought answers, sought to prove people wrong and that 9/11 happened the way they said it did. However, after thousands of hours of research, I discovered an unsettling truth".

Haha yeah right. And one individual could find out the truth but the 9/11 commission with access to classified information couldn't?
What a load of horse S***. It is a sales pitch and you have just been conned into spending your dignity.

Remember to re-remind us when youre walking around like a remote control zombie showing off your microchip implant to all the other mindless planks.

[Guest]

Nothing to those conspiracy theories, all have been thoroughly debunked.

Debunked? By Whom and When?

Write me a page reply with some valuable quotes proving the've been debunked by 5pm noon tommorrow

You prove to us that the 'conspiracy theories' are true by 5pm tommorow.
Oh, that is right... you can't. It's just fun to dream up conspiracies and go around talking about them as if you know more than the average person.
You are an idiot. You have nothing to prove any claim you have made. You take the word of 1 witnessthat suits your point of view, and ignore the thousands of other witnesses that do not.

The thing I really love about these conpiracy doc's is how they all start off the same... "I once, like you, sought answers, sought to prove people wrong and that 9/11 happened the way they said it did. However, after thousands of hours of research, I discovered an unsettling truth".

Haha yeah right. And one individual could find out the truth but the 9/11 commission with access to classified information couldn't?
What a load of horse S***. It is a sales pitch and you have just been conned into spending your dignity.

Er yeah, isnt it a mighty co-incidence that the passport of the terrorist happened to fall from the tower to the ground. I mean, whats the probability of that? George Bush and Osama Bin Laden were partners in the Carlyle group, how odd.

Must just be a coincidence.....hang on Bin Laden and George Bush? Naaa my mind cant take no more. Stop it, let me be a sheep again.

[Guest]

Nothing to those conspiracy theories, all have been thoroughly debunked.

Debunked? By Whom and When?

Write me a page reply with some valuable quotes proving the've been debunked by 5pm noon tommorrow

You prove to us that the 'conspiracy theories' are true by 5pm tommorow.
Oh, that is right... you can't. It's just fun to dream up conspiracies and go around talking about them as if you know more than the average person.
You are an idiot. You have nothing to prove any claim you have made. You take the word of 1 witnessthat suits your point of view, and ignore the thousands of other witnesses that do not.

The thing I really love about these conpiracy doc's is how they all start off the same... "I once, like you, sought answers, sought to prove people wrong and that 9/11 happened the way they said it did. However, after thousands of hours of research, I discovered an unsettling truth".

Haha yeah right. And one individual could find out the truth but the 9/11 commission with access to classified information couldn't?
What a load of horse S***. It is a sales pitch and you have just been conned into spending your dignity.

It isnt a conspiracy you plank. Imagine if you and your buddies had control of the media and governments. Do you honestly think the world has been let loose to its own devices. Someone is steering the ship

[Guest]

Funny. I have been told by the admins that the last 3 posts were by the same person.
Do you have multiple personality disorder or do you just like to make out that you are 3 different people in order to back yourself up?

[Guest]

Funny. I have been told by the admins that the last 3 posts were by the same person.
Do you have multiple personality disorder or do you just like to make out that you are 3 different people in order to back yourself up?

you regularly post "penis" threads in just for men, as five people sometimes. Admin told my mate

[Guest]

Oh you heard that from a friend of a friend that I posted penis threads in the mens forum?
Yeah, that doesn't sound like a load of bullshit does it?
I love it how I only need to challenge your post once and then let you unravel yourself with stupidity. Who is going to believe you? Your other personalities?

[Guest]

Oh you heard that from a friend of a friend that I posted penis threads in the mens forum?
Yeah, that doesn't sound like a load of bullshit does it?
I love it how I only need to challenge your post once and then let you unravel yourself with stupidity. Who is going to believe you? Your other personalities?

I love the way you avoided the fact that a passport fell from the twin towers, which happened to belong to the terrorist. You know about probability dont you? Well work out the probability of that happening. Its horse S*** and you face is covered in it

[Nefarious]

There is an interesting article at ImplosionWorld by demolition experts who were in the vincinty of the Manhattan area on the morning of 9/11 who present their arguments as to why the building collapses were not controlled demolitions.

Follow this link and then at the top of the page click on 'click here to read this paper' http://www.implosionworld.com/news.htm#1

If we want to know the truth, we should be open to all sides of opinion. Their general assessment is that in the absence of any concrete evidence to the contrary, none of the building collapsed due to controlled demolition, and they say that they will assess any new evidence as it comes to light. They say that how the towers and WT7 fell is consistent with what they would have expected given the structural damage that the towers maintained and they go through and provide answers to each of the questions that have been raised to suggest evidence of an 'inside job'.

[Guest0209]

Its good to see you are looking at both sides nefarious.
I think anyone who is truly interested in shady politics, conspiracies and corporate lies would be suprised just how much of it is involved in these conspiracies shows.

These conspiracy shows are all the same. They take an 'expert opinion' from one or 2 guys with a degree, and put it on their 'documentry'. What they do not bother to tell you is that 1000 other 'experts' disagree with these 2 individuals who make wild outlandish claims!

There have also been a number of 'experts' who gave testimony that was used out of context and they are taking legal action against the producers who edited their remarks to make it look as though the Twin Towers were destroyed by explosives.

Also, hundreds of people saw an airliner hurtling toward the pentagon and seconds after they saw a fireball. A couple of eyewitnesses said 'it sounded like a rocket' (as if the average citizen has heard what a rocket sounds like), and they were the only 'eyewitnesses' to be put into the documenty... wonder why?

I love the way you avoided the fact that a passport fell from the twin towers, which happened to belong to the terrorist. You know about probability dont you? Well work out the probability of that happening. Its horse S*** and you face is covered in it

As for this loser.. I do not care. And you are right, I do not know about it. WHich is why I do not have to disprove it. You probably just made it up, or it is yet another unfounded rumor that obviously nobody cares about. If it were true, and there was a case against the Bush Administration, You can bet everything you have that the Democrats would use it to kick the Republicans out. Unless you accuse the democrats of being in on it too
I suppose they are the ones that made Bin Laden and Al Qaeda claim responsibility on video tape??

Don't bother to talk to me again. You are obviously some little pizza faced kid who cannot have an intelligent conversation.

[Guest]

Its good to see you are looking at both sides nefarious.
I think anyone who is truly interested in shady politics, conspiracies and corporate lies would be suprised just how much of it is involved in these conspiracies shows.

These conspiracy shows are all the same. They take an 'expert opinion' from one or 2 guys with a degree, and put it on their 'documentry'. What they do not bother to tell you is that 1000 other 'experts' disagree with these 2 individuals who make wild outlandish claims!

There have also been a number of 'experts' who gave testimony that was used out of context and they are taking legal action against the producers who edited their remarks to make it look as though the Twin Towers were destroyed by explosives.

Also, hundreds of people saw an airliner hurtling toward the pentagon and seconds after they saw a fireball. A couple of eyewitnesses said 'it sounded like a rocket' (as if the average citizen has heard what a rocket sounds like), and they were the only 'eyewitnesses' to be put into the documenty... wonder why?

I love the way you avoided the fact that a passport fell from the twin towers, which happened to belong to the terrorist. You know about probability dont you? Well work out the probability of that happening. Its horse S*** and you face is covered in it

As for this loser.. I do not care. And you are right, I do not know about it. WHich is why I do not have to disprove it. You probably just made it up, or it is yet another unfounded rumor that obviously nobody cares about. If it were true, and there was a case against the Bush Administration, You can bet everything you have that the Democrats would use it to kick the Republicans out. Unless you accuse the democrats of being in on it too
I suppose they are the ones that made Bin Laden and Al Qaeda claim responsibility on video tape??

Don't bother to talk to me again. You are obviously some little pizza faced kid who cannot have an intelligent conversation.

Thats your only defence, people have never heard what a rocket sounds like?????

What a crock of S***

[Guest]

Its good to see you are looking at both sides nefarious.
I think anyone who is truly interested in shady politics, conspiracies and corporate lies would be suprised just how much of it is involved in these conspiracies shows.

These conspiracy shows are all the same. They take an 'expert opinion' from one or 2 guys with a degree, and put it on their 'documentry'. What they do not bother to tell you is that 1000 other 'experts' disagree with these 2 individuals who make wild outlandish claims!

There have also been a number of 'experts' who gave testimony that was used out of context and they are taking legal action against the producers who edited their remarks to make it look as though the Twin Towers were destroyed by explosives.

Also, hundreds of people saw an airliner hurtling toward the pentagon and seconds after they saw a fireball. A couple of eyewitnesses said 'it sounded like a rocket' (as if the average citizen has heard what a rocket sounds like), and they were the only 'eyewitnesses' to be put into the documenty... wonder why?

I love the way you avoided the fact that a passport fell from the twin towers, which happened to belong to the terrorist. You know about probability dont you? Well work out the probability of that happening. Its horse S*** and you face is covered in it

As for this loser.. I do not care. And you are right, I do not know about it. WHich is why I do not have to disprove it. You probably just made it up, or it is yet another unfounded rumor that obviously nobody cares about. If it were true, and there was a case against the Bush Administration, You can bet everything you have that the Democrats would use it to kick the Republicans out. Unless you accuse the democrats of being in on it too
I suppose they are the ones that made Bin Laden and Al Qaeda claim responsibility on video tape??

Don't bother to talk to me again. You are obviously some little pizza faced kid who cannot have an intelligent conversation.

Osama Bin Laden and his video camera. Do F*** off