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9/11 The Truth - We Have Been Deceived

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Article By Morgan Reynolds Former Member Of The Bush Admin

Why Did the Trade Center Skyscrapers Collapse?
by Morgan Reynolds

"It didn’t seem real… There are thousands of these steel beams that just fell like

pickup sticks."

~ John Albanese, volunteer firefighter and amateur photographer

"What struck us – guys like Warren Jennings and myself, who have spent basically all our

lives in the scrap business – we’d never seen steel this heavy, this huge, this massive. It

was just unbelievable."

To explain the unanticipated free-fall collapses of the twin towers at the World Trade

Center on September 11, 2001, mainstream experts (also see The American Professional

Constructor, October 2004, pp. 12–1Cool offer a three-stage argument: 1) an airplane impact

weakened each structure, 2) an intense fire thermally weakened structural components that

may have suffered damage to fireproofing materials, causing buckling failures, which, in

turn, 3) allowed the upper floors to pancake onto the floors below.

Many will nod their head, OK, that does it and go back to watching the NBA finals or

whatever, but I find this theory just about as satisfying as the fantastic conspiracy theory

that "19 young Arabs acting at the behest of Islamist extremists headquartered in distant

Afghanistan" caused 9/11. The government’s collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own

terms, but its blinkered narrowness and lack of breadth is the paramount defect unshared by

its principal scientific rival – controlled demolition. Only professional demolition appears

to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapses of WTC 1 (North Tower),

WTC 2 (South Tower), and the much-overlooked collapse of the 47-story WTC building 7 at 5:21

pm on that fateful day.

In defending the official account and its clones that try to explain the unprecedented

collapses of three steel-framed skyscrapers without demolition, heat arguably is more

important than structural impact. That’s obviously true for building WTC 7 because there was

no alleged airplane impact.

First, no steel-framed skyscraper, even engulfed in flames hour after hour, had ever

collapsed before. Suddenly, three stunning collapses occur within a few city blocks on the

same day, two allegedly hit by aircraft, the third not. These extraordinary collapses after

short-duration minor fires made it all the more important to preserve the evidence, mostly

steel girders, to study what had happened. On fire intensity, consider this benchmark: A

1991 FEMA report on Philadelphia’s Meridian Plaza fire said that the fire was so energetic

that "eams and girders sagged and twisted," but "despite this extraordinary exposure,

the columns continued to support their loads without obvious damage" (quoted by Griffin, p.

15). Such an intense fire with consequent sagging and twisting steel beams bears no

resemblance to what we observed at the WTC.

Second, severe structural damage to the WTC towers would have required fires that were not

only large but growing throughout the buildings and burning for a considerable period of

time. None of these conditions was present. "The lack of flames is an indication that the

fires were small, and the dark smoke is an indication that the fires were suffocating,"

points out Hufschmid (p. 35). Eyewitnesses in the towers, as well as police and

firefighters, reported (pp. 199–200) the same thing.

Third, the impact opening was 15 floors lower in the South Tower than in the North Tower,

where core columns were thicker, so the South Tower fire had to produce more heat to raise

the steel temperatures to soften up (thermally weaken) the steel columns. Yet its fires were

considerably smaller and 30 minutes shorter in duration. The Tower collapsed after burning

only 56 minutes. A prime candidate to explain why "the wrong tower fell first" is that the

small dying fire in the South Tower forced the hand of the mass murderers who decided to

trigger demolition earlier than planned in order to sustain the lie that fire caused the

collapse. The North Tower stood for another 29 minutes and its core steel was thinner at its

upper stories. The 1991 Meridian Plaza fire burned for 19 hours and the fire was so extreme

that flames came from dozens of windows on many floors. It did not collapse.

Fourth, implicitly trying to explain away these difficulties, the current NIST


investigation, conducted by "an extended investigation team of 236 people," makes "dislodged

fireproofing" the key variable to explain the collapses. Supposedly, "the probable collapse

sequence for the WTC towers are (sic) based on the behavior of thermally weakened structural

components that had extensive damage to fireproofing or gypsum board fire protection induced

by the debris field generated by aircraft impact" (p. 111). "Had fireproofing not been

dislodged by debris field," this team of government-paid experts claims, "temperature rise

of structural components would likely have been insufficient to induce global collapse" (p.

108). Perhaps acknowledging the lack of direct evidence for its conjectures, the NIST admits

that "a full collapse of the WTC floor system would not occur even with a number of failed

trusses or connections" and it "recognizes inherent uncertainties" (pp. 110 and 112). The

NIST will have to boost its creativity to plausibly explain the WTC 7 collapse because it

won’t have the benefit of tales of aircraft and debris fields.

Aside from specific defects in the fire collapse theory, a wide variety of facts undermine

it:

* Photos show people walking around in the hole in the North Tower "where 10,000 gallons

of jet fuel were supposedly burning. The women (p. 27) seem to (sic) looking down to the

ground" (the NIST "Response" pdf, p. 62, also shows a similar photo of the same blond woman

with light-colored slacks looking over the edge of the 94th floor).
* By the time the South Tower was hit, most of the North Tower’s flames had already

vanished, burning for only 16 minutes.
* The fire did not grow over time, probably because it quickly ran out of fuel and was

suffocating rather than the sprinkler system dousing the fires.
* FDNY fire fighters remain under a gag order (Rodriguezvs-1.Bush.pdf, p. 10) to not

discuss the explosions they heard, felt and saw. FAA personnel are also under a 9/11 gag

order.
* Even the 9/11 Commission (Kean-Zelikow) Report acknowledges that "none of the [fire]

chiefs present believed that a total collapse of either tower was possible" (Ch. 9, p. 302).

It shocked everyone that day, amateur and professional alike, although some firefighters

realized that so-called secondary explosive devices were a risk.

Griffin (pp. 25–7) succinctly identifies the primary defects in the official account of the

WTC collapses, and its sister theories. These problems were entirely ignored by The 9/11

Commission Report (2004), so the government appointees must have found it difficult to

account for the following facts:

1. Fire had never before caused steel-frame buildings to collapse except for the three

buildings on 9/11, nor has fire collapsed any steel high rise since 9/11.
2. The fires, especially in the South Tower and WTC-7, were small.
3. WTC-7 was unharmed by an airplane and had only minor fires on the seventh and twelfth

floors of this 47-story steel building yet it collapsed in less than 10 seconds.
4. WTC-5 and WTC-6 had raging fires but did not collapse despite much thinner steel beams

(pp. 68–9).
5. In a PBS documentary, Larry Silverstein, the WTC lease-holder, recalled talking to the

fire department commander on 9/11 about WTC-7 and said, "…maybe the smartest thing to do is

pull it," slang for demolish it.
6. FEMA, given the uninviting task of explaining the collapse of Building 7 with mention

of demolition verboten admitted that the best it could come up with had "only a low

probability of occurrence."
7. It’s difficult if not impossible for hydrocarbon fires like those fed by jet fuel

(kerosene) to raise the temperature of steel close to melting.

Professional demolition, by contrast, can explain all of these facts and more. Demolition

means placing explosives throughout a building, and detonating them in sequence to weaken

"the structure so it collapses or folds in upon itself" (p. 44). In conventional demolitions

gravity does most of the work, although it probably did a minority on 9/11, so heavily were

the towers honeycombed with explosives.

1. Each WTC building collapse occurred at virtually free-fall speed (approximately 10

seconds or less).
2. Each building collapsed, for the most part, into its own footprint.
3. Virtually all the concrete (an estimated 100,000 tons in each tower) on every floor

was pulverized into a very fine dust, a phenomenon that requires enormous energy and could

not be caused by gravity alone ("…workers can’t even find concrete. ‘It’s all dust,’ [the

official] said").
4. Dust exploded horizontally for a couple hundred feet, as did debris, at the beginning

of each tower’s collapse.
5. Collapses were total, leaving none of the massive core columns sticking up hundreds of

feet into the air.
6. Salvage experts were amazed at how small the debris stacks were.
7. The steel beams and columns came down in sections under 30 feet long and had no signs

of "softening"; there was little left but shorn sections of steel and a few bits of

concrete.
8. Photos and videos of the collapses all show "demolition waves," meaning "confluent

rows of small explosions" along floors (blast sequences).
9. According to many witnesses, explosions occurred within the buildings.
10. Each collapse had detectable seismic vibrations suggestive of underground explosions,

similar to the 2.3 earthquake magnitude from a demolition like the Seattle Kingdome (p.

108).
11. Each collapse produced molten steel identical to that generated by explosives,

resulting in "hot spots" that persisted for months (the two hottest spots at WTC-2 and WTC-7

were approximately 1,350o F five days after being continuously flooded with water, a

temperature high enough to melt aluminum (p. 70).

Controlled demolition would have required unimpeded access to the WTC, access to explosives,

avoiding detection, and the expertise to orchestrate the deadly destruction from a nearby

secure location. Such access before 9/11 likely depended on complicity by one or more WTC

security companies. These companies focus on "access control" and as security specialist

Wayne Black says, "When you have a security contract, you know the inner workings of

everything." Stratesec, a now-defunct company that had security contracts at the World Trade

Center and Dulles International Airport, should be investigated, among others, because of

the strange coincidence that President Bush’s brother, Marvin P. Bush, and his cousin, Wirt

D. Walker III, were principals in the company, with Walker acting as CEO from 1999 until

January 2002 and Marvin reportedly in New York on 9/11. At least one report claims that a

"power down" condition prevailed on September 8–9 (pdf, p. 45) at WTC to complete a "cabling

upgrade," presenting an opportunity to plant explosives with low risk of detection.

A related point is that demolition companies go to considerable expense to wire steel-framed

skyscrapers with explosives to produce safe implosions, and they would love to do it more

cheaply by simply setting two small fires like those that (allegedly) caved in building 7.


Apparently, the terrorist-inventors have kept this new technology secret.

Why would the killers destroy WTC-7, especially since a collapse would arouse suspicion in

some quarters? A logical if unproven theory is that the perpetrators used Mayor Giuliani’s

sealed OEM "bunker" on the 23d story of WTC-7 to conduct the twin tower implosions and then

destroyed the building and evidence to cover up their crimes, just as a murderer might set

his victim’s dwelling ablaze to cover up the crime (one in four fires is arson). Giuliani’s

"undisclosed secret location" was perfect because it had been evacuated by 9:45 a.m. on

9/11, it enabled unmolested work, provided a ringside seat, was bullet- and bomb-resistant,

had its own secure air and water supply, and could withstand winds of 160 mph, necessary

protection from the wind blasts generated by collapsing skyscrapers.

There is special import in the fact of free-fall collapse (item one in the list immediately

above), if only because everyone agrees that the towers fell at free-fall speed. This makes

pancake collapse with one floor progressively falling onto the floor below an unattractive

explanation. Progressive pancaking cannot happen at free-fall speed ("g" or 9.8 m/s2).

Free-fall would require "pulling" or removing obstacles below before they could impede

(slow) the acceleration of falling objects from above. Sequenced explosions, on the other

hand, explain why the lower floors did not interfere with the progress of the falling

objects above. The pancake theory fails this test.

If we put the murder of 2,749 innocent victims momentarily aside, the only unusual technical

feature of the collapses of the twin towers was that the explosions began at the top,

immediately followed by explosions from below. WTC-7, by contrast, was entirely

conventional, imploding from bottom up.

It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the

collapse of the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is

wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not

likely prove to be sound. Revised engineering and construction practices, for example, based

on the belief that the twin towers collapsed through airplane damage and subsequent fires is

premature, to say the least.

More importantly, momentous political and social consequences would follow if impartial

observers concluded that professionals imploded the WTC. If demolition destroyed three steel

skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an "inside job" and a

government attack on America would be compelling. Meanwhile, the job of scientists,

engineers and impartial researchers everywhere is to get the scientific and engineering

analysis of 9/11 right, "though heaven should fall." Unfortunately, getting it right in

today’s "security state" demands daring because explosives and structural experts have been

intimidated in their analyses of the collapses of 9/11.

June 9, 2005

Morgan Reynolds, Ph.D. [send him mail], is professor emeritus at Texas A&M University and

former director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis

headquartered in Dallas, TX. He served as chief economist for the US Department of Labor

during 2001–2, George W. Bush's first term.

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Postby jojo22 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:58 am

:shock:

That's pretty damning isn't it? This article makes some irrefutably valid points.

They did fall like controlled explosions.

And there is the Bush link again :evil:

I said it once, I'll say it again - war crimes against humanity (in the name of oil).

Fact is, oil companies have been trumping up wars, equipping people with weapons to take out 'obstructions' to oil, way before 9/11 (read an article some years back about 'S(hell) on earth'.

Also heard stories, many years ago, about people coming up with alternative sources of energy had their patents brought out by oil companies and were threatened with their life into silence.

Then there was the interesting point raised by Mike Myers, that they wanted to put an oil pipeline, running between Afghanistan and Iran to the coast - but the Taliban didn't play ball. Boom - 9/11 - off to take out the Taliban, put in new 'friendly' rulers, no worries on the pipeline - or was it still not completely satisfactory? From the schematic I saw, the pipeline would have taken a more direct route (thus saving money) if it could have cut through parts of Iran as well.

How quickly after Iraq was attacked did Bush start talking about the 'threat in Iran'? I predicted that would happen based on the schematic I saw, if the pipeline was a major motivator, and lo and behold, what do you know.

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Postby WiredCoffeeJunkie on Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:26 pm

You can't be serious?

The US government blew up three buldings, in downtown New York no less, including the pentagon and found a militant group willing to become the most hunted group of individuals on earth for oil that the USA can't refine, doesn't want and can't use, but it's greatest competator China can refine? Then to top it off it spent billions of dollars on a war for more oil that the US refiners can't use?

Heck, it would be a hell of a lot easier to take over Canada or the UK, both of them have more oil than Iraq and it's oil we can use rather than the heavy sour sludge the Iraqis call oil.

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Postby Lena on Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:29 pm

The first post seems crazy . Too bad no one is pushing the issue about some israel civilian lovers at the Pentagon got our simple minded and glory seeking little georgey to invade iraq as apart of a big effort to make the middle east safe for there precioius little israel ............................
Alive in spite of myself and looking at the world .........

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Postby WiredCoffeeJunkie on Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:50 pm

Lena wrote:The first post seems crazy . Too bad no one is pushing the issue about some israel civilian lovers at the Pentagon got our simple minded and glory seeking little georgey to invade iraq as apart of a big effort to make the middle east safe for there precioius little israel ............................


I was fascinated by the New York/Tel Aviv/Oppenheimer diamond connection and the USSR's outrageous tricking of a jewish owned media company to send threats to De Beers. I saw the documentary on the television and I almost choked when I realized the USSR was using the people making the documentary, supposedly experts in their field, to send threats to flood the market if De Beers didn't take their whole inventory. The whole threat went over the heads of the media, but it was heard by De Beers because I read that they made a new agreement with the USSR a few weeks later. De Beers is chocking on the output of diamonds from the Soviets and is still getting stuffed, out manuevered and losing ground at the whim of cartels.

That is conspiracy. Those are bold threats in the International arena. Trickery and deceit on grand scales.

Isreal may be a thorn in the side of the USA, but it was and remains the only population that is mostly willing to help the USA in the region. I hope they offer substantial help because the USA is even willing to overlook outright stealing of state secrets to keep them on our side. I hope Iraq ends up being our new friends once all the trouble dies down, because Isreal .. is a loaded gun pointed at both the USA and UKs foreign policy.

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Re: 9/11 The Truth - We Have Been Deceived

Postby Mac on Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:26 pm

Aelphaeis_Mangarae wrote:
"...credible and shocking enough to predict outcries to arrest George W. Bush, U.S.

officials, Congress intel. members & media execs for criminal acts and coverup if millions

of Americans view & understand this evidence."

TomFlocco.com

Article By Morgan Reynolds Former Member Of The Bush Admin

Why Did the Trade Center Skyscrapers Collapse?
by Morgan Reynolds

"It didn’t seem real… There are thousands of these steel beams that just fell like

pickup sticks."

For more information regarding the TRUTH about 9/11 and the War On Terror visit http://911physics.co.nr

Do you really believe this crap? Just look at all of the unanswered terrorist attacks (including one on the WTC) during the Clinton administration.

Would you rather fight the terrorists here in the United States?

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Postby WiredCoffeeJunkie on Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:34 pm

Mac wrote:Do you really believe this crap? Just look at all of the unanswered terrorist attacks (including on on the WTC) during the Clinton administration.

Would you rather fight the terrorists here in the United States?


The whole idea, not just this story, is as full of crap as a flat earth society block party on K street would be.


I'm waiting for Katrina to be a weather controlled weapon used by a secret society with-in the Masons. There's money to be made in destruction you know... there's even a paper on it



Here's an exerpt of the paper.

"For a government to stay in power, they continually have to destroy the work of their own people. And in the case of the U.S., this also includes the work of other countries within a global economy. For a government that does not do this, there is no way to collect taxes, no employment, so there is an extremely high amount of economic opportunity in destruction. There are only so many things to build, so many houses you need, so many computers to buy, and then everything dries up. The only stimulus is to take out the sledge hammer and start pounding away. Or in the case of the U.S. with a very injured Dow Jones index, begin dropping bombs."

Yeah, government money is free LOL

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Nooooooooo

Postby jojo22 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:09 pm

WiredCoffeeJunkie wrote:You can't be serious?

The US government blew up three buldings, in downtown New York no less, including the pentagon and found a militant group willing to become the most hunted group of individuals on earth for oil that the USA can't refine, doesn't want and can't use, but it's greatest competator China can refine? Then to top it off it spent billions of dollars on a war for more oil that the US refiners can't use?

Heck, it would be a hell of a lot easier to take over Canada or the UK, both of them have more oil than Iraq and it's oil we can use rather than the heavy sour sludge the Iraqis call oil.


Noooooo, not the US Government, but certain persons in positions of power within the Government and those affiliated with them outside the Government, who have secret agendas and enough access to put them in place.

If you look at in the context of a group of individuals who have very specific interests and then consider whether the events that have occurred have benefited that group and how many links back to that group there are, then the logic of connections becomes a little more clear. If you simply look at what is easier for America as a whole, then you assume that this group is concerned about America as a whole and not just their own financial gains - which are located in very specific terms.

Ok - then how do you answer the question of the terrorists? No doubt these people are revved up and angry and will go and blow themselves up to display that anger. BUT...what if Osama Bin Laden (whose family has been buddy buddy with the Bush family for ages) was in cahoots with Bush about setting up 9/11? Osama's followers would be none the wiser. They went into Afghanistan and took out the Taliban, but didn't do such a good job of getting Osama did they?

Aha! And then Osama puts out a message just before the election saying 'don't vote for Bush'. Now that could have been a clever bit of reverse psychology - get the American people saying 'don't be telling us who to vote for you killer of our people you, we'll show you we won't be pushed around and we will vote for Bush'. :lol:

Hey, I'm on a roll here :twisted:

But yeah, it is all a bit far fetched isn't it. Maybe I'm just a lover of a good conspiracy theory :P
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Re: Nooooooooo

Postby WiredCoffeeJunkie on Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:14 pm

jojo22 wrote:Noooooo, not the US Government, but certain persons in positions of power within the Government and those affiliated with them outside the Government, who have secret agendas and enough access to put them in place.

But yeah, it is all a bit far fetched isn't it. Maybe I'm just a lover of a good conspiracy theory :P


:wink:

Look at the site I put above before FF takes the link out. All sorts of pseudo scientific mental masterbation. You're bright enough to figure out that it's just masterbation, as I've said before.

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Postby jojo22 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:24 pm

Ok - also see my now edited last post - I'm on a roll here :P

Oh, oh - I better be careful - I'll get tracerouted by the FBI :shock:

They'll add to their dossier on me 'that insignificant little twit has been at it again' :lol:

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Postby WiredCoffeeJunkie on Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:28 pm

I'm willing to think about even the most horrifying things as possible if there's enough will behind them.

Terrorists use broken personalities to immolate themselves for a cause. The USA's scientific community stood behind eugentics at the same time Germany was gassing homosexuals and jews to purify their race.

I don't see either money or power or any other singularly powerful will behind anyone in the cases you brought up. Not enough to risk the danger of being caught... ultimately killed in vengence... and reviled for centuries.

Method, motivation and opportunity.

There's nothing wrong with mental masterbation, but it's just masterbation.

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Enjoyable

Postby jojo22 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:35 pm

I must admit I found that little piece quite enjoyable. It's quite a think outside the box - frame it with analogy - piece. It points to the subjectivity of everything, strips things back to a basic rationalization. It might be 'mental wankering' as you say, but everything has it's place and purpose.

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Postby WiredCoffeeJunkie on Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:37 pm

jojo22 wrote:I must admit I found that little piece quite enjoyable. It's quite a think outside the box - frame it with analogy - piece. It points to the subjectivity of everything, strips things back to a basic rationalization. It might be 'mental wankering' as you say, but everything has it's place and purpose.


Oh I do it all the time :)

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Unless

Postby jojo22 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:43 pm

WiredCoffeeJunkie wrote:I don't see either money or power or any other singularly powerful will behind anyone in the cases you brought up. Not enough to risk the danger of being caught... ultimately killed in vengence... and reviled for centuries.


Unless they are arrogant and stupid and money hungry enough to not give a sh*t about the consequences - and believe that people will take their propaganda hook, line and sinker - which if history is anything to go by, people generally do rather than conceive of more unpleasant realities.

I dated a guy that used to intern for the White House (or was it the Pentagon?). He worked in a high security area with 'sensitive files'. He didn't elaborate further than to say that the American people would be shocked if they knew half the sh*t that the Government has done to it's own people.

Forgive me if I am cynical.

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oh...and

Postby jojo22 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:49 pm

Oh...and, he also told me that they kept a dossier on him and that because I had been involved with him (lived with him actually) they would have a dossier on me as well. I think he was informed that would be the case when he signed his contract.

Oh, and maybe completely innocent, but since I have been posting on FF, I have had two phone calls that sounded long distance, from an American man, asking for a name similar to my own, and when I said there was no one here by that name, they asked what my name was. The first time, I gave a false name - the second time I got caught out. The second time the call came shortly after I made an accusing post about Bush in the 'Bush was the right choice and still is' thread.

Coincidence? Perhaps? Or maybe Big Brother is watching :shock:

I should also add that he interned prior to the Bush administration.

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