Too old to wear knee socks to school?

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Judith T
 

My punishment

Postby Judith T on Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:04 pm

I would like to reinforce the effectiveness of this type of punishment as a current recipient of this type of punishment which my Aunt has asked me to outline to you as a further humiliation to myself and hopefully to encourage those with concerns about using it as to it's effectiveness.

My punishment began after I arrived at my Aunt's house (where I live) at midenight one Friday drunk, with a cigarette in my hand and was sick in the hall and then sore at her. The following day my Aunt told me that if I wished to continue to be able to live with her then I would have to accept punishment for what I had done and accept a contract that would provide appropriate restrictions. I had little choice to accept and given my behaviour thought it was probably not unreasonable (although had I known what was to follow this would not have been the case). I therefore wrote and signed that I was willing to accept whatever my Aunt saw fit to impose. She then said I would initially be punished as follows:

a) At home dress in a school uniform at all times - black laced shoes, brown elasticted school knickers, grey knee socks, grey shirt, brown tie, a knee length full front buttoning brown pinafore dress with elbow length sleeves, grey V-neck woollen cardigan.

b) All of my existing clothing to be removed from my room.

c) When leaving the house to be dressed from new wardrobe which consisted of a green ankle length pleated skirt, 3 pairs of large white knickers, 3 pairs of grey ankle socks, white blose, grey blouse, grey long sleeved collared thick front buttoing dress, grey round necked cardiagn, navy V-neck cardigan, knee length collared arran cardigan. All buttons to be done up at all times.

d) All housework to be performed by me.

e) No access to TV, music or magazines - only reading material - The Bible

f) When not doing housework to be confined to bedroom or made to do cornertime (and I spent several hours doing this).

g) No money, make-up or jewellry.

h) Hair to be worn in a ponytail at home and a ponytail or bun outside.

i) 8 strokes of the cane to my behind.

j) Speak when spoken to. All responses to end with Sir and Maam.

I was shocked particularly when she informed me that this punishment would last for 2 months to account for my previous poor behaviour. I quickly learnt the consequences of misbehaviour when I argued and my punishment was increased to 3 months and my caning to 10 strokes.

Having been dressed in my new uniform I had to empty my wardrobes and then report to be caned. Being bent over in my uniform, my knicekrs stripped to my ankles and then having to count and thank my Aunt for each stroke was a very sobering experience - reinforced by the following hour stood hand on head with my face to the corner, my knickers round my ankles and my dress pinned up to leave my caned behind on show. Following this I did everything to comply. My public dress was such a change to my friends that I had to explain why I was now dressed in such a plain manner and they of course soon disowned me.

Any lack of compliance my Aunt dealt with quickly and harshly with extra work, cornertime and on a couple of accassions application of a tawse to my hands. Whilst not made to appear in public in school uniform I was not spared the humiliation of being seen by people visiting our house.

At the end of 3 months my Aunt then spelled out the maximum freedoms of my foreseeable future if my behaviour showed sustained improvement.

a) No trousers. Only skirts/blouses and dresses - longer than knee length and with long sleeves. Additional layers to be cardigans/jumpers.

b) No jewellry or make-up.

c) Hair to be worn in a bun or ponytail at all times.

d) Curfew at 8:00 PM Sun-Thurs, 7:00 PM Fri-Sat

e) All housework to be performed by me.

f) Limited TV and only with her approval of content.

g) Lessons in dressmaking and knitting to enable me to produce own clothes.

Thus I am now just over 3 months into my behavioural improvement plan period. I am now allowed our to curfew on Mon-Thurs but am still grounded on Fri, Sat, Sun. On Saturday I remain confined to my room when not working or in cornertime. In my wardrobe I now have an additional plain grey skirt and a black cardigan which was bought for me by my Aunt. I have also with my Aunt's oversight made a green Gingham dress in my size, a pair of knitted green knickers and a brown knitted round neck cardigan. My Aunt has hung these in my wardrobe so they can remined me every day of the consequences of any further behavioural failings.

I am sure you can see from this that I have been thoroughly and deservedly punished for me stupidity and misbehaviour. My humiliation has been complete, I have learnt my lesson and the strict discipline of my new existence is deserved and ongoing.

My humiliation is heightened because unlike the other girls mentioned in this discussion I am no longer at school. I am an administrative assistant in a local firm and am now 20 years old. My limited salary means I rely on my Aunt for cheap accommodation and hence her ability to inflict this punishment including the application of corporal punishment which I agreed to in writing.

I can ensure that sharing this publically with you is yet another lesson for me and I can recommend that my personal immaturity made application of this punishment very appropriate in my case. The length of the ongoing restrictions and the need to display good behaviour to earn even limited privleges has certainly aided my learning. This is consistent I think with an earlier author who highlighted the use of behavioural improvement plans. I would add that in my case that the initial application of a more severe still epriod of punishment and humiliation was necessary otherwise my behaviour would not have improved so quickly and would recommend the need for both punishment and a remedial behaviour plan.

I have no doubt that if anyone raises further questions that my Aunt will have no concern that I am made to answer them particularly if they further help me to learn my lesson and my future place.

Ellie V
 

Punishment of schoolgirls

Postby Ellie V on Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:31 pm

I have applied the wearing of a infant's school yellow Gingham dress with a matching green V-neck wool cardigan, white knee socks and T-bar sandals to my daughter for naughtiness and ill discipline for the last 4 years. She is now 17 and knows that this punsihment is still applied and actually for less serious beahviour now as she should know better. During the summer when she was disrespectful and lazy she earned herself a week dressed like this including attedning Chruch dressed like this. Suffice to say she has been suitably meek since particularly as I made her attend Sunday School with the other 10 year olds.

Whilst I understand the earlier cocnern that public humiliation is a severe punishment this does not mean it is never appropriate. It is certainly preventd any need to consider the use of corporal punishment with our daughter.

Ellie

Guest
 

Humiliation

Postby Guest on Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:37 pm

I am now 24 and still live at home and my parent's still apply this type of punishment when I fail to meet thier expectations. Whilst I do not like it I think as I choose to live in thier house I have to accept their rules.

Form my own experience I cannot do anything but admit that the punishment is always effective leaving me apologetic and reflective of my errors.

Last time this occurred I spent all my time at home dressed in a red Gingham dress and cardigan, was humiliated in front of visitors, lost any freedoms and was tawsed. I have not repated my stupidity since and am currently going thorugh the usual process following such misbehaviour of having to earn bak my priveleges over a minimum 3 month period. As I sit here late at work I am wearing a long blue dress and baggy green cardigan - I hate it but deserve it. Do many other people omy age receive such disciplining?

Guest
 

Re: Humiliation

Postby Guest on Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:55 pm

. wrote:I am now 24 and still live at home and my parent's still apply this type of punishment when I fail to meet thier expectations. Whilst I do not like it I think as I choose to live in thier house I have to accept their rules.

Form my own experience I cannot do anything but admit that the punishment is always effective leaving me apologetic and reflective of my errors.

Last time this occurred I spent all my time at home dressed in a red Gingham dress and cardigan, was humiliated in front of visitors, lost any freedoms and was tawsed. I have not repated my stupidity since and am currently going thorugh the usual process following such misbehaviour of having to earn bak my priveleges over a minimum 3 month period. As I sit here late at work I am wearing a long blue dress and baggy green cardigan - I hate it but deserve it. Do many other people omy age receive such disciplining?




come all you people dont think we should close this topic?

Guest
 

Re: Humiliation

Postby Guest on Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:29 pm

. wrote:
. wrote:I am now 24 and still live at home and my parent's still apply this type of punishment when I fail to meet thier expectations. Whilst I do not like it I think as I choose to live in thier house I have to accept their rules.

Form my own experience I cannot do anything but admit that the punishment is always effective leaving me apologetic and reflective of my errors.

Last time this occurred I spent all my time at home dressed in a red Gingham dress and cardigan, was humiliated in front of visitors, lost any freedoms and was tawsed. I have not repated my stupidity since and am currently going thorugh the usual process following such misbehaviour of having to earn bak my priveleges over a minimum 3 month period. As I sit here late at work I am wearing a long blue dress and baggy green cardigan - I hate it but deserve it. Do many other people omy age receive such disciplining?




come all you people think we should close this topic?

Guest
 

Re: Humiliation

Postby Guest on Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:31 pm

. wrote:
. wrote:
. wrote:I am now 24 and still live at home and my parent's still apply this type of punishment when I fail to meet thier expectations. Whilst I do not like it I think as I choose to live in thier house I have to accept their rules.

Form my own experience I cannot do anything but admit that the punishment is always effective leaving me apologetic and reflective of my errors.

Last time this occurred I spent all my time at home dressed in a red Gingham dress and cardigan, was humiliated in front of visitors, lost any freedoms and was tawsed. I have not repated my stupidity since and am currently going thorugh the usual process following such misbehaviour of having to earn bak my priveleges over a minimum 3 month period. As I sit here late at work I am wearing a long blue dress and baggy green cardigan - I hate it but deserve it. Do many other people omy age receive such disciplining?



you are all nuters!


come all you people think we should close this topic?

MaryG1977
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Older girls, school uniforms and kneesocks.

Postby MaryG1977 on Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:36 pm

Hello everybody,

I am new to this site, having found it by accident whilst looking for sites about parenting because I am now a prospective parent, hopefully with a positive result in the next couple of years.

Last week I was away on a course and stayed with my older cousin for the week. She has a daughter who has just entered the sixth form at her school. When I arrived on the Monday her daughter was already at home and I was rather surprised because she was she was wearing a black pinafore type tunic dress with a pleated base which ended well above her kneecaps, white blouse, black jacket and black kneesocks with little bows at the top.

I discreetly asked her asked her mother if the school specified a uniform for sixth-formers or if her daughter was being punished for some reason by the enforced wearing of a uniform in the manner which my overbearing and domineering mother used to punish me. (I will not go into details here as I have previously told my story on other threads on other sites. Some of your contributors might recognize me from elsewhere as I recognize a couple of names here).

Her mother told me that apparently it was the current fashion for teenage girls to dress like that. The irony had not escaped her when she recalled previous battles when her daughter wanted to wear tights and later trousers to school. Now, when she could wear whatever she wanted to in the sixth form, within reason, she choose to dress like a first-former!

The next day I gave her daughter a lift to school on my way to my course and she indeed comfirmed that it was her choice to dress in that manner. When I dropped her off I did indeed see quite a few girls wearing kneesocks, mainly black but several other colours too, including white.

There's just no accounting for fashion but I wonder if she will still be wearing kneesocks at thirty-one, as I do. (That's another story)!

Guest
 

Too old for white socks

Postby Guest on Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:02 pm

To bring the thread back to its intended purpose to discuss occurrences they have experienced or noticed girls (usually teenagers) who are wearing socks when they appear to be too old, i.e. not the perverted fantasies above. I recall a couple of girls from my school days that were amongst the last to remain in socks. One came from a traditional religious family and they all wore unfashionable clothes and the daughter always dressed conservatively for school with a grey pleated knee length skirt and white socks. Regarding the other we had concerns. She came from a single parent family with a father and two brothers, and we suspect although it was never proven, that the father had “unhealthy sexual interests” and may have kept the daughter in short dresses and skirts with white socks until she was 16 for his own pleasure. Today there is much more awareness about abuse in families, but back then children tended not to speak out and the authorities weren’t as effective.

Mary24
 

Message for Winifred

Postby Mary24 on Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:26 pm

Winifred,

That seems like a very harsh but clearly effective punishment. Where on earth did your parents get a worstered pinafore and green elasticated knickers?

I remember green elasticated knickers as I wore them until I was 19 and they really did dig into the tops of your thighs. I was always left with two red bands around the tops of my legs. My mother insisted I wore them all the time when I was at home and I only got other knickers when I went to University but wore them during the holidays when I went home until I left. Did you only have to wear the green knickers when you were in punishment uniform?

I presume you must be quite small to get these clothes to fit you?

Mary

Winifred I
 

Punishment uniform

Postby Winifred I on Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:03 am

Mary,

I have no idea where my mother obtained the green school knickers from but thankfully I was only made to wear these as part of a school uniform when I had misbehaved.

I am not particularly small but there was no problem with having the right size maroon worsted pinafore, green Gingham dress or woollen waistcoat or cardigans because my mother made or knitted these herself. Even at age 20/21 I knew that should I misbehave that the inability to be able to buy these items in my size was not a barrier to receiving such a punishment. My monthe stored these items in a wardrobe in the spare room and at no time between the ages of 13-21 was I ever not provided appropriate uniform as assigned for my misbehaviour. The worsted pinafores were not only exceedingly unfashionable but very uncomfortable to wear - the thick coarse material abraded your legs where in contact with your skin and when worn, as was the norm, with at least one woollen cardigan on top of it was very hot particularly if I was assigned to wear this in the summer months.

Unlike one of the other writers I was thankfully never made to make or knit my own punishment clothing. I am sure it is a very sobering activity to have to spend your time making a Gingham or pinafore dress and/or knit a woollen cardigan and then to be made to wear them as part of your own punishment. I assume that at age 24 your Aunt has decided that you must be punished with geat severity if your are to learn your lesson. My monther certainly believed in increasing the level of punishment for a given offence as I got older and as you could see believed that in some cases misbehaviour meant that some items she saw as privileges were withdrawn on a permanant basis (in my case no trousers to be worn, limited nights out, wearing of wollen clothing items from the charity shop on a continuous basis).

Winifred

Mary24
 

Message for Winifred

Postby Mary24 on Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:28 am

Winifred,

I now see that size was not an issue for you in getting the junior uniform. Clearly your mother was skilled with a sewing machine. When you say it was a pinafore, what style was it? Was it a bib fronted one with the box pleated skirt attached or a plain fronted smock type.

I have to say the colour scheme of green and maroon would certainly be striking and you must have been very self conscious about this. The gingham summer dress is really very junior and were not available in my day for more than 12/13 year olds but if your mother made this as well then there was no limit.

My mother was similar to yours but not quite as strict. I had to wear the school knickers as they had been part of my uniform at junior school but at middle school they were not specified but a few girls did wear them.

When I went to senior school I was the only one and I was teased a bit by a few of the girls. I asked mum about getting some new knickers but she wanted to know who I was going to be showing them to. I didn't really have an answer to that. She said they were perfectly good enough and I certainly would not be getting cheap trollops underwear.

As a consequence I didn't raise the issue again and a new set turned up one day when I was 16. my heart sank. I also had to wear white pereline knee socks until I was 16 and on many occasions until I was nearly 19.

Were your school knickers nylon or cotton? Fortunately mine were cotton as the nylon ones I wore at one time were really uncomfortable.

Mary

Guest
 

Judith's disciplining

Postby Guest on Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:09 pm

Winifred,

Although Judith is only 20 not 24, as her Aunt who has imposed her disciplining over the last 6-7 months, I can assure you that I agree with your mother's approach of increased severity for the punishee as they get older. Not only in terms of the severity of the punishment but also its longevity and the need for periods of excellent behaviour under restricted conditions to regain at privliges. I was interested to see your mother did not allow you back all of your previous freedoms and I will certainly be using that approach with Judith.

She has just this weekend displayed some poor discipline in her wearing of her clothing which is still strictly defined. In this case she was when confined to her room discovered by me wearing a green ankle length pleated skirt and grey blouse with top button undone and her gray round necked cardiagn completely unbuttoned. Unbuttoned clothing is not permitted according to the rules and althought this may be trivial to many of you, Judith is learning the lesson of behaving in a way which requires her now to obey absolutely.

She is now having experience of the humiliation so you noted in your letter of having to wear a school uniform she has made herself for the next two weeks - green Gingham dress, green woollen knickers and brown round necked woollen cardigan. In addition I am defining her clothing to be worn to work again for her - that is removing the freedom to decide herself which she earned over the last 3 months. She is doing daily corner time and more frequent inspection of what she is wearing is taking place. To drive home the lesson she has also received 4 strokes of the strap to each hand.

At some point I will get her to explain the learning including her likely follow-up restrictions from this latest punishment here as both a further humiliation as well as an example for learning and use by others.

For the parents of the 24 year old I would thoroughly encourage you to build on the start you have made but at age 24 you will need to be severe in your application to get a significant change in behaviour based on my experience.

Winnifred I
 

Punishment Uniform

Postby Winnifred I on Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:56 am

Mary,

I certainly was always made to be very conscious of what I was made to wear when I had misbehaved and my parents underlined that was one of the main reasons for the use of junior or infant's school uniform. This was the case even when this humilation was limited to our own home and let alone when made to appear dressed in front of any guests. On the one series of Sundays when in my maroon worsted pinafore (which was bib fronted with a pleated skirt reaching to below my knees), grey shirt, school tie, grey knee socks and V-neck green woollen cardigan I was made to go to Church in public I really cannot, even now, describe my feeling of humiliation - it left me feeling like a 10 year old, very apologetic for my behaviour and determined to avoid any repeat - which of course was the purpose. Whilst not wishing it on anyone else it certainly was a very effective penance.

Thankfully I was never made to publically appear in my parent's summer punishment uniform of green cotton gingham dress, white ankle socks, elasticated green school knickers, T bar shoes and a round neck green woollen school cardigan. This although less uncomfortable to wear if anything was even more humiliating because of the more infantile nature of the dress and the fact that was reinforecd by being made on occassions to wear my hair in pigtails and receive when decided appropriate corporal punishment more in keeping for a younger child. If anyone has ever had to dress in this type of uniform in front of others they have my sympathy although I am sure it was probably effective as both a punishment and a deterent.

Mary24
 

Punishment Uniform

Postby Mary24 on Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:28 pm

Winifred,

I really feel for you. It must have been a terrible humiliation having to wear a school uniform for a 10 year old. I use to wear a bib fronted tunic just like yours with an attached box pleated skirt until I was fourteen, the only difference was that mine was bottle green.

Although I went to a private all girls church school where the uniform was strict and the bib tunic was only compulsory up to year 9 my mother made me wear it for an extra year until I had grown out of it. My uniform was, in total, a bottle green bib fronted tunic with a box pleated skirt, a white blouse, Green and white striped tie, white knee socks and brown Mary Jane shoes. Even the underwear was specified up to year 9 and consisted of white vest and bottle green knickers.

We had to wear a long bottle green gabardine overcoat and a bottle green cardigan for girls up to year 9 or jumper for girls in year 10 and above.

In was mortified when my mother told me I could wear the uniform for another year and she only reluctantly agreed to buy the senior uniform the following year although the socks and vest were maintained until I went into year 12 and the bottle green knickers remained until after I left school.

Because my mother thought the uniform was so smart I was frequently dressed in school uniform for "best" including Church and other functions my parents attended.

Wearing this uniform at school was "ok" but outside school I was always tense and felt everyone was looking at me so I understand completely what you went through. My mother also insisted on doing my hair for school in junior styles which I hated.

You said you had to endure corporal punishment, was this instead of your uniform punishment or in addition to it? what sort of punishments did you get?

Its good to talk to someone who understands what its like.

Love,

Mary

shortpants
 

clothing change as a punishment

Postby shortpants on Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:45 pm

I was caught aged14, smoking cigars. I was in high school in 2nd year and in 1977 no boy wore school shorts. My mother during the preceeding summer, bought three pairs of old stock grey long school shorts. They were obviously from the 1950s as they had button flies. She managed to get 4 pairs of grey knee socks with red and black turnover bands, and as a punishment I had to wear long shorts and knee socks with my uniform to school;as it happend for more than two terms. On the firs day dressed that way I was run to school in the car to make sure I got there. I was in tears and did NOT want to get out of the car. I can not tel you what I had to endure from the rest of the kids at school for weeks on end......

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