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Postby terabyte » Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:00 pm

Men sometimes like to wear women's clothing for ONE simple reason:

it's more sensual than men's, and there's more variety.. it's very easy to understand!

men are not like animals or soldiers who must only wear one style and fit their whole lives.. we have diversity in our personalities just as women do.

take jeans. men's styles are high rise, which women abandoned years ago, or the "pooed the pants" style where the crotch is dragging along the ground. oh, great! we work out in the gym for years to tone our bodies and then have to go out looking like a sack of rubbish.

if men wear anything too tight, too loose, too thin, too bright, too soft, too colourful, too high, too low, too open, too lace-up, too decorated.. people assume we're gay. it's hardly a lot to ask to get some variety in our cothes!

take boots. women's boots are lace up, zip up, designed, fur lined, high, low, medium, flat, raised, colourful, stitched, leather, suede, the lot. but if you're a man, and you wear boots too high.. its "gasp gasp exclaim exclaim" all round. if you even tuck your jeans into your boots it's "gasp gasp" again!

on amazon or yoox there are around 7,000 different skirt designs.. they're not all designed for ballet--some of them are really interesting designs. but men can't wear any such thing without becoming the entire centre of attention, having our sexual preferences speculated on, having people wonder if we're fit to raise our children, and so on. why can't we just go about our business, wearing whatever suits our mood, without it being such an almighty big deal?

as for that woman who said men were only wearing clothes for sexual stimulation, well, talk about the pot calling the kettle black! on this site there are women who go on and on about how they love to wear short skirts and let the wind blow them up, flash their panties, if they're wearig any.. show everyone their thongs, boobs, ass cheeks, you name it! one woman said she liked to go out in a short skirt with nothing on underneath and see whose eye she could catch.

well, good luck to them, but of course men sometimes would also like to have a thrill from their own clothing.. why not? what are we, made of stone?

the whole resistance to men's funereal, penguin type clothing is because it all stinks of a lack of imagination. men resist it because they want a change.. i wear kilts, sarongs and skirts, but after a day in one i'm also pleased to get into jeans again. without skirts in my wardrobe there are days when I wouldn't want to get up because it would be just too depressing to get into the funeral parlour get-up again.

i'm human, and just want some choice.. it's as simple as that.
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Unisex Restrooms

Postby Proud Woman » Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:34 am

Unisex restrooms benefit men, women
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Postby colinx » Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:07 am

Mac wrote,
'Why is it a perversion for him and not for her?' in response to the previous message.
Well I suppose we are all used to women being able to push the boundaries of fashion and no harm is done, after all it's the expected thing.
When men push the boundaries of fashion, people ask why?, are they perverts, are they paedophiles?, what else are they up to?.
It all comes down to conditioning.
We have all been subjected to a conditioning process throughout our lives that instills a fear of a male that dresses differently from the norm.
I suspect that if a woman is different, the immediate reaction is 'can she harm me'?. 'Possibly' if you are a woman, 'probably not' if you are a man.
If a man is different, the reaction will be, 'probably' if you are a woman and 'possibly' if you are a man.
The great misconception is that the man who is different is a danger.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
This man has overcome his frustrations with convention and decided to do something about it.
The danger if it exists, lies with 'normal men' who are frustrated with convention but will not admit it.
Maybe this is a little heavy for some people to digest but I think that this is a thought path we should all look at.
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Postby guest188 » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:44 am

I think what has happened is that so many of the brightest and most adventurous men have been killed off in wars from the late 19th century, that the remaining y-chromosones passed down have tended to make men watered-down and timid.

they act all tough and macho but in fact they're terrified of being different. whereas women have explored their personalities, built healthy social structures to support themselves, and managed to largely escape the wholesale massacres of their strongest and fittest.

a fitting tribute to the wretched governments of the last hundred years: the slow, cumulative destruction of their own race. all that's left is a timid, frightened male who wants to be completely invisible in their jeans or suit uniform, terrified of someone pointing the finger and saying "oooh, maybe he's gay!!"
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Postby Colinx » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:05 am

guest188 wrote:I think what has happened is that so many of the brightest and most adventurous men have been killed off in wars from the late 19th century, that the remaining y-chromosones passed down have tended to make men watered-down and timid.

they act all tough and macho but in fact they're terrified of being different. whereas women have explored their personalities, built healthy social structures to support themselves, and managed to largely escape the wholesale massacres of their strongest and fittest.

a fitting tribute to the wretched governments of the last hundred years: the slow, cumulative destruction of their own race. all that's left is a timid, frightened male who wants to be completely invisible in their jeans or suit uniform, terrified of someone pointing the finger and saying "oooh, maybe he's gay!!"

I agree that modern day males are terrified of being different, especially in the way they dress but I think the assumption that the wars killed off the strongest and left a timid remainder is a bit unkind.
The reason modern men seem to want to blend in with the background is the ease with which a man can receive a stigma. Be off guard and you can receive a humiliation.
For example in July two years ago I was building a cupboard into the wall in my sons bedroom. It was warm outside and I was sweltering in the house whilst I knocked the wall down, so I had a pair of shorts on and trainers on my feet. My wife then asked me to go to my daughters friends house to bring her home for tea. I duly put a yellow coloured waterproof jacket on over a tee shirt because it had just started to rain and walked round to where my daughters friend lived.
On the way I saw a twentysomething woman lolling about on a first floor balcony in some flats close to the road I was walking along. As I got close to her she shouted to me "Lets see what you've got", to which I replied "Whats it got to do with you?". She then launched into a tirade of abuse that revolved around calling me a weirdo.
She repeatedly shouted at the top of her voice "Weirdo, Weirdo" and to stop the commotion I walked back the way I came. God knows how many people looked out of their windows but I didn't look.
What upset me about this was how easy it was for me to be labelled a weirdo by someone who knew nothing about me. If I gone into the flats and remonstrated with her the police would have been called and I would have been carted off, not her.
This experience has made me realise how unbalanced peoples perception of dress code is. If a woman had been dressed in the same way as I then I have no doubt nothing would have been said. This is because tolerance to unusual dress is given to women whereas men get very little tolerance.
I know this message has gone a bit off topic but maybe it is part of the explanation why unisex clothing is not as popular as it should be.
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Postby bling » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:07 am

Sad story, but typical of the attitude of a new breed of 'slob' women (a minority, thank God), whose idea of equality is to ape the behaviour of stereotypical 'slob' men in the past, a sort of revenge for a history of male domination. This means that you get abuse from trash such as the person you've described, who revel in the fact that they've got a free rein to verbally abuse you knowing you can't hit back. After all, the public perception is that if you're a man and she shouts 'weirdo' at the top of her voice then you probably are, aren't you? They call themselves 'ladettes' and we're all supposed to laugh, but it's not cool and it's not hysterical, in fact it's complete sh*te.

And no, I'm not a mysogynist and I have got a sense of humour ............
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Postby Colinx » Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:13 am

I think that unisex clothing is probably doomed to failure even though lots of men will buy it. The trouble is women won't buy it and that's because they have any number of more desirable alternatives to choose from.

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Postby new guest » Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:52 pm

Lots of different reasons men wear womens underwear.
For me, I like the material (microfiber) and the cut is better. Victoria's Secret "Body by Victoria" bikinis are great. They just feel good. I also think they look good. The men's styles are larger and fuller cut which is not necessary. I am seeing more mens bikinis that are approaching the womens styles. When they get the same material and cuts I like then it will make no difference which I buy. Cost and durability are also considerations.
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Postby Mac » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:49 pm

new guest wrote:Lots of different reasons men wear womens underwear. . . . . .
I am seeing more mens bikinis that are approaching the womens styles. When they get the same material and cuts I like then it will make no difference which I buy. . . . .
I have also noticed that. Is there a reason for it?
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Postby Guest » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:54 pm

It was previously suggested that one of the reasons for men wearing womens lingerie was that it 'gave them a kinky thrill'.
This implies that the softer fabrics used on womens underwear is capable of giving a sensual experience when worn next to the skin.
Surely then, this must mean that, equally, women must also find it a sensual experience when wearing their female lingerie? Otherwise why wouldn't they just wear simple cotton briefs, and why is there such a huge range of female underwear in many different styles & fabrics?
When a woman chooses to wear a silk blouse, satin bra & thong, and a lined pencil skirt worn against smooth legs, there's no way on earth that you could fail to find it at least a little bit of a sensual pleasure to wear and walk down the street in, as well as looking good.
Yet if a man admits to the same sensations when wearing either some or all of these garments, then suddenly we're classed as 'kinky'?
Why should that be?
Why do some people find it disturbing that others, whom they've probably never even met, get a simple sensual pleasure from wearing certain types of undergarments?
Why is it then classed as a legitimate excuse to brand those individuals as 'weirdo's', 'kinky', 'queer', 'perverted', and other such throwaway remarks?
Men are actually capable of being stimulated in more than 1 way, and perhaps it is that fact that a certain small percentage of women can't handle?
If we derive some harmless sensual pleasure in the wearing of ladies lingerie, then why is it such a big deal to others whom we've never met anyway?
At the end of the day, we're all free citizens in a democracy-one that our forefathers died terribly in wars trying to defend against tyranny & the repression of free-speech.
We all pay our taxes, so why not just let us each enjoy our individual pleasures-pleasures that don't involve any illegal, immoral or genuinely perverted acts.
I personally find womens lingerie far more comfortable and stretchy than men's, and I freely admit I find it a sensual experience wearing them.
So when it comes down to it, what on earth is such a big deal about it anyway? We haven't suddenly become evil perverted monsters threatening children and upright citizens of the community.
Finally, and without wishing to offend the good ladies on this forum, and indeed throughout the world, instead of asking why men like wearing womens underwear, maybe we should really be asking why women like wearing womens underwear-comfort, sensuality and feeling sexy perhaps?
Therefore, in this age of equality, there's nothing really wrong with us men also indulging ourselves a bit when it comes to looking after the 'crown jewels', is there?
A lot of women find men in kilts attractive because the kilt is a garment specifically designed for men that looks masculine yet attractive, but can also be worn when doing normal jobs etc.
If you ever look at any pictures of Scottish ceremonies, the man in the full kilt/sporran/jacket/thick socks/shoes is very much the male peacock, and looks considerably more flamboyant to women than the equivalent man in the grey penguin suit, particularly in the US, where they're far less restrained by convention.
Over there, if it's tartan & pleated and hangs from the waist, they don't usually care if it's a man wearing it if it looks good.
Logical really, you see!
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Postby Colinx » Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:37 am

I couldn't agree more with Guest about his perceptions of the imbalance of equality between what men can wear and what women can wear. His inversion of the logic 'why do men wear sensual womens clothing into why do women wear sensual womens clothing is a welcome twist to the tired old 'only men can be weird' train of thought.
Women have a wonderful unassailable position when it comes to choice of clothing and it all stems from the amount of money they spend on clothing.
Imagine yourself as a clothing manufacturer trying to make as much money as you can from a new idea. You will always aim your clothing at the largest market you can get into. Since a woman will spend about four times the amount on clothing that a man will in any unit of time, the choice will always be to make something for women. The result is that the expansion in designs and wearable styles will nearly always be in the womens ranges. Couple this with the fact that most 'normal' men will then never attempt to wear anything that has feminine overtones and you have an expanding womens fashion range and a contracting mens range.
I put the word normal in inverted commas because I consider most 'normal' men to be fashion wimps and up to now I have been one of them. Because they are so concerned with trying to be unnoticed, men miss the fashion boat at every opportunity.
Once women take over a style that men have considered theirs, then men tend to avoid that style so as to not be thought of as fem. This win win situation for women inevitably ends up as a lose lose situation for men. Hence the only kinds of styles that men will wear are those that look too stupid for women to wear: ie, poo in your pants trousers and shorts for one.
Having said all this I still think men should not be afraid of experiencing and wearing some items of clothing that are considered to be womens.
Pantyhose and briefs are the logical firsts because they will not normally be seen and for men like me with leg circulation problems pantyhose are of real benefit.
Various associations exist to promote the wearing of skirts by men and logically there is no reason why men should not wear them in at least a modified form. It requires a very brave man to venture out in such attire and contrary to the normal assumption that such a man is effeminate the truth is that these men are very sure they are real men.

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Postby Guest » Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:05 pm

Some very valid observations there by Colin too, and a fine example of market forces being shaped by the manufacturers in order for them to 'educate' us into fashion styles they want to sell us.

The clothes manufacturers first priority, and this is to be expected in a capitalist market economy, is to maximize profit, and sell as many items as possible. Ultimately, they are not concerned about public opinion unless this opinion is negative and causes sales to drop or criminal acts to be committed.

In the late 70's and early 80's we had glam rock with flamboyant and adrodgynous men's outfits which today would almost certainly attract nothing but ridicule if worn in public, yet were acceptable at the time.

So to a large extent we've tied ourselves up with convention and fear of being seen to look 'odd' in public.

If you look at any TV news article showing, for example, world leaders gathering, they are-without exception-all dressed in varying shades of dour & dark coloured suits.

Yet, if you watch films about life in the 1700's and 1800's, the men-particularly in the French aristocracy-wear outfits of considerable flamboyance & colour, along with make-up.

So how come this was acceptable at the time to both men and women? If a man wore a frilly shirt and a long dress coat he was considered to be wearing the essential styles for the time.

Sadly, in these current times, men's dress has become stifled and dour to the point of anonymity, whilst womens choice of clothes has become positively immense.

Men fear their ego's being punctured in public, and being considered 'girlie' if they wear skirted garments, at least in England anyway. Public humiliation and embarrassment drives most men to stay 'sensible' and 'conformist' in their dress sense.

Yet conformism is a relative term, and not an absolute one. I remember 2 years ago I was in the far North of Scotland in Thurso, by John 'O Groats, drinking in a proper highland pub.

There was a live band playing, with big, butch Scotsmen in kilts. They looked so fierce that if you'd dared mention they looked 'effeminate' in a pleated tartan skirt, my guess is that your head would have ended up inhabiting a different part of your body to where it normally rests!

Masculinity, you see, comes from personality, and not from the clothes you wear. You can see 'effeminate' men in normal jeans and trainers, as well as 'laddette' women in short skirts lying drunk on the streets and swearing.

I think part of the man's problem now is that women dominate the clothes economy and with the equality they now have in society there aren't any 'barriers' of convention to dictate what they wear, so there's no limit to the variety of clothes women now have.

This is a great thing for women, don't get me wrong, and there's nothing nicer than to see a huge variety of well-dressed ladies in whatever outfits they choose to wear-it all adds up to a very colourful sight in society.

Sadly, the men seem to have reached an impasse, and don't know which direction to take apart from the road to the conventional grey penguin suit shop.

This isn't strictly the fault of the ladies either-as they've become more flamboyant and expressive in society, we seem to have regressed into our caves to lick our style wounds, and instead of coming out to express ourselves in a similar manner, we've rolled over into submission and decided it's not really that important anyway, and the old grey suit will do the job anyway.

It's no suprise that a common accusation levelled at men by women is that of, in extreme cases, being an 'emotional cripple'. To a certain extent clothes shape your mood, like the power of a man wearing an army commanders uniform, or a woman in a wedding dress or an evening gown at a ball-the centre of attention. The grey suit just shouts 'conformism' and 'dullness'.

Ever remember that good old's 80's group 'Adam and the Ants' when he was dressed in that flamboyant costume in 'Prince Charming' ? I don't recall wild newspaper headlines about 'effeminate' and 'not the done thng for a man to wear' at the time.

Also, if you think about it, accusing a man of being 'effeminate' is technically speaking an insulting remark about women being the weaker of the 2 sexes.

It's basically saying that the man is so weak he's no better than a woman, which is an extremely insulting remark to make about women anyway, so any women that accuse a man of being 'girlie' by wearing silk undies are, strictly speaking, insulting themselves and every other woman.

Neither sex is better than the other-we're both different but with some similarities, such as having the ability to notice sensuality.

Ever laughed at the male stud in the nightclub wearing the silk shirt? Or the hard-nosed bikers wearing 'kinky' leather?

When somebody comes out with a fashion statement, the power of their personality will decide to what extent that remark is believed. As Neitszche said, 'men believe in the truth of all that is seen to be strongly believed in'

It explains why people followed and worshipped Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin-if your personality is strong enough, you can make people believe anything.

And at the moment, it seems men's collective personalities aren't strong enough for them to shape their own fashion direction, so they sink into the grey suit rut by way of apathy and fear of saying or doing something that might offend anyone or stand out.

If a man is conditioned to believe wearing a skirt is 'girlie' and 'queer', and a woman is conditioned to believe a man in a skirt is a 'pervert', then all that proves is not that the act is perverted, simply that certain people, at a certain time period in life, have formed a certain opinion about that act.

Freedom to the masses I say!

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Postby pinkpantylover » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:36 am

Hi im a 16 year old male, and i prefer to wear womens thongs because they are very comfortable and sexy, although im still in school so i dont wear them there, only at home, i wish people would grow its only underwear. normal mens underwear dont feel good and arent comfortable, with thongs i can feel good and still have great support at the same time.
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Sexy & Sensual

Postby seduce » Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:59 am

thoughts on Lingerie??

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Postby pinkpantylover » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:36 pm

Btw are you a male and if yes how old and what stuff do you like or dislike?

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