German court ruling on circumcision

[C.G.]

"The court said that a child's right to physical integrity trumped religious and parental rights."



Article here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18807040



Whilst I think it is right that this choice (like all religious choices) should be made by the individual it primarily concerns, I can't help wondering how many would opt for it voluntarily when "old enough to decide for themselves".....

[H. Franklin Layne]

A young child can consent to a surgical procedure...... he can't drink, vote, or even understand sexual stimulation, but he can sign his name to get circumcised? Oi vay!!! This is what happens when church and state rub elbows!

Political collar off....

[ZiaAries]

For the majority of Americans who elect to have their infant son circumcised, it has NOTHING to do with religion. I probably would have it done if I had a baby boy... due to WHO reports and findings, as well as other factors.

As for "old enough to decide for themselves"... If done right after birth, the child will have no memory of it. To wait until older... that might hurt.

[none of the above]

I see little need for imposing such procedures on babies. Is there a real medical problem with letting a male child get to an age where he can objectively decide for himself if it's a needful process...

Meh, there's some that think hacking ears from puppies is still the done thing...

[H. Franklin Layne]

I see little need for imposing such procedures on babies. Is there a real medical problem with letting a male child get to an age where he can objectively decide for himself if it's a needful process...

Meh, there's some that think hacking ears from puppies is still the done thing...

A puppy will remember. He/she will probably let it go and lick your face, but there will always be apprehension to going to the vet. Baby boys won't remember the procedure, and won't develop an aversion for doctors until getting told to drop trou for a shot in the keister!

[C.G.]

I think there may well be a cultural divide across the pond with our American friends here - you guys mainly are circumcised as a matter of routine, from what I can gather. In this country and many other European countries, it is less usual, and mainly done for religious reasons, or because there has been some health problem. To put it into context, I have only seen the results of it once in real life....

[H. Franklin Layne]

I think there may well be a cultural divide across the pond with our American friends here - you guys mainly are circumcised as a matter of routine, from what I can gather. In this country and many other European countries, it is less usual, and mainly done for religious reasons, or because there has been some health problem. To put it into context, I have only seen the results of it once in real life....

I wonder if Americans would be so rowdy all the time if it weren't done as a matter of routine?

[jinjin]

It will not work and the results prove it. To enforce it uniformly you must make all children property of the state, and they are many states that do not wish to have the responsibility of raising other people's children.

[H. Franklin Layne]

It will not work and the results prove it. To enforce it uniformly you must make all children property of the state, and they are many states that do not wish to have the responsibility of raising other people's children.

Correct. But not only states, individuals in general. I know I don't want to raise someone else's child. I don't to want to raise any of my own, ffs!

[Lucylastic]

To put it into context, I have only seen the results of it once in real life....

Really? It is not at all uncommon in London.

[ZiaAries]

To put it into context, I have only seen the results of it once in real life....

Really? It is not at all uncommon in London.

It's rare to see an uncircumcised one here. They are around, but not that common. I'd bet my last dollar that most American women have never seen an uncircumcised penis.

[C.G.]

As I said. I remember me and some of my friends being amused by the episode in Sex and the Ciy when there is......shock horror......and uncircumcised one! It's a totally different outlook. I just looked it up - apparently, according to Wiki ( ) 80 pc of Amercians are circumcised and only 20 pc of Brits. Of those 20 pc apparently the majoriy are done for religious reasons (explains why I haven't come across them! ) . It is similar in most of Europe according to Wiki.

[Lucylastic]

20 pc of Brits. Of those 20 pc apparently the majoriy are done for religious reasons (explains why I haven't come across them! ) . It is similar in most of Europe according to Wiki.

2.7 percent of the population are Muslim, 0.5 percent are Jewish. That leaves a significant proportion of chaps who've had a bit off the end for reasons other than religion, surely?

[Who?]

20 pc of Brits. Of those 20 pc apparently the majoriy are done for religious reasons (explains why I haven't come across them! ) . It is similar in most of Europe according to Wiki.

2.7 percent of the population are Muslim, 0.5 percent are Jewish. That leaves a significant proportion of chaps who've had a bit off the end for reasons other than religion, surely?

The other 16.8% are idiots that misunderstood when asked to 'leave a tip' in restaurants. Happens all the time.

[C.G.]

Mr Who?............ you are definitely on form tonight. I may get a crush on you!