Blond Adult Girl wrote:
elliott20 wrote:funny thing was, if he had initially just said, "because he thinks it's immodest and he doesn't like that", I actually wouldn't have questioned it at all. Personal values, are, after all, personal.
I for one don't know what you guys are arguing about. It seems like your just trying to burn eachother more than anything else.
I like both of you, but can you guys just settle down a bit?
-Elliot, drinker is not trying to justify r****. I don't know where you got that idea, but from reading his posts, I don't think he's trying to justify r**** in any way, shape, or form.
-Drinker, if you believe that we women are in the wrong to dress "immodestly," thats fine, but you can't really connect it to r****. You yourself said that only 4.4% of all r**** involves the women being provacative (or something to that extent). But what about the other 96.5%? Power or sexual lust, the bottom line is that immodesty and r**** have no correlation 96.5% of the time. You can be against immodest dressing, but you can't connext it to r****.
eh, I just decided to have some fun with drinker/kalel/casey/steve. I normally would try to take this kind of topics a bit more seriously and try to actually make something a bit more interesting out of this but quite frankly, his attitude towards me makes it pretty predictable and boring.
he's probably going to write another post further trying to disparage my manhood or something before he goes on and on about "castrated liberal agendas" or some such. And then he'll tell you how you can save those 4.4% by covering up.
If I was serious about this entire thing, I would have pointed out that 4.4% of the women raped were recorded to having some kind of provocative behavior in some fashoin, but this does not automatically establish correlation or even causality. (This is a statistical concept a lot of people have problems with) And thus, while 4.4% were recorded to having shown this kind of behavior, the study is incapable of creating causality.
He, of course, would probably say something like, "use your common sense, men see, men want, men r****" logic, failng to acknowledge that most men in our society REVILE r**** because of social conditioning in addition to the legal reprecussions. (he will no doubt quote this paragraph, highligh the last part of the sentence, and say how I'm somehow defying the nature of man, ignoring that it is precisely that quality what makes us different from animals.)
And in the end, we'll just end up going round and round in circles and nothing really gets discussed. On the other hand, he will have developed the expectation that I have to actually engage him seriously and respectfully, even though he's incapable of doing either of those things himself.
so yeah, it's kind of just another day at FF for me, really.