GAY VS BIBLE

[Pure-Angel]

Well,

I think marriage is suppose to between a MAN and a WOMAN! Like what it says in the bible!

What do you guys think about this Gay Marriage Rights Amendment?

[revlarsyn]

As a non christian who doesn't attribute any value to the institution of marriage, I'm probably not the best person to answer your question.
For me, only commitment is important and that transcends cultural, racial, religious or sexual orientation issues.
Try the Archbishop of York

[tamachant]

I think marriage is a commitment between two people. If you are gay you are gay and should be allowed the right to commit to your partner. In a world where there is so much violence, destruction, corruption & more, gay people getting married is the least of our worries.

As far as the bible well, I can see why strong christians may disagree....but dont think they have a right to try stop it.

[shawn69]

A good question was posed to a syndicated talk show personality here in the US. The question was "At which point did you decide to be heterosexual?" The question paused him to think. My response resembled him. I've always been. Using that logic, why would the response within the lesbian and gay community be different. Chances are if it was a conscious decision it would have been.
From a bibilical position, it's only our creator who should cast judgment, not I. Just because one is gay or lesbian, it does not make them any less a christian. God only knows that probably a lot of them are much better christians than you and I.
The same applies for abortion.
Rather than cast judgment, a christian's job is to pray for one's soul that they may see God's will. In the end, that's the only thing that matters. What God thinks of us, not you and I.
REMEMBER: Casting judgment is a sin within itself.

[you have male]

Gay rights and abortion, eh? Two of the few issues that separated Kerry and Bush and two issues that separate America along the religious divide. Hell, if ony the whole world were that simple.

[one_irish_rover]

Rather than cast judgment, a christian's job is to pray for one's soul that they may see God's will. In the end, that's the only thing that matters. What God thinks of us, not you and I.
REMEMBER: Casting judgment is a sin within itself.

Humans need to spend less time praying to their gods and more time finding workable solutions to all of humanities problems. Anyway, I am glad to see that you are so yielding in your views--most Christians will not budge on this issue.

I do not use works of fiction to determine what people are allowed to do. People are people. There is no reason two people should have lesser rights and priveleges because they are gay, or black, or female, etc.

To the person who said marriage is only between a man and woman. What about the abolition of slavery and womens' suffrage? There was a time not long ago that the country was divided on these issues. you had the progressives and the conservatives. can you not see the similarities here--how history repeats itself? would you have been one of those people who supported slavery or opposed equal rights for women? 20 years from now people will look back on us and judge our positions on the issue of gay rights. which side of the fence do you want to be on?

[shawn69]

Rather than cast judgment, a christian's job is to pray for one's soul that they may see God's will. In the end, that's the only thing that matters. What God thinks of us, not you and I.
REMEMBER: Casting judgment is a sin within itself.

Humans need to spend less time praying to their gods and more time finding workable solutions to all of humanities problems. Anyway, I am glad to see that you are so yielding in your views--most Christians will not budge on this issue.

I do not use works of fiction to determine what people are allowed to do. People are people. There is no reason two people should have lesser rights and priveleges because they are gay, or black, or female, etc.

To the person who said marriage is only between a man and woman. What about the abolition of slavery and womens' suffrage? There was a time not long ago that the country was divided on these issues. you had the progressives and the conservatives. can you not see the similarities here--how history repeats itself? would you have been one of those people who supported slavery or opposed equal rights for women? 20 years from now people will look back on us and judge our positions on the issue of gay rights. which side of the fence do you want to be on?

If you ask a secularist, the bible is a work of fiction. If you ask a christian, you'd get a different answer. The topic related to Gay vs Bible, not mans particular view on homosexuality.
In the dictionary and Bible, marriage is defined between a man and woman. But for legal purposes in the US, it's merely statutory.
On the issue of slavery did you know that liberals/progressives/democrats, however you choose to label yourself, are responsible for the following actions:
1. Dems favored the expansion of slavery during the civil war. Every southern state government was dominated by democrats at the state and federal level. Check the Congressional Quarterlys for proof
2. Dems opposed the Freedmans Bureaus and other social programs designed to aid newly freed blacks
3. Hell democrats passed the fugitive slave laws, Jim Crowe Laws, Black codes and various of forms of discrimination
4. Dems prevented blacks from voting through various means testing designed to discourage and disqualify them
5. Dems fought the Dred Scott Case
6. Dems Formed the KKK. I believe it was Conferate Gen. Nathan Bedford or Bradford
7. Dems favored racial segregation that was established by Plessy v. Ferguson
8. Dems opposed anti-lynching laws
9. Famed Abolitionists such as Frederich Douglas supported the Republican party
9. Dems opposed the civil war amendments: 13, 14, and 15, Civil Rights Act of 1866, 1957, 1960, and 40% opposed the 1964 act. Also the KKK act of 1871.
Need I continue.
The Republican party was formed in 1854, I believe, on an abolitionist platform by disgruntled members of other parties, primarily the Whig party. President Lincoln was a Republican, not Democrat. VP Andrew Johnson was a Democrat. They ran on a balanced ticket. Their basic premise for the Republican party was equality for all men/women.
I've spent several hundred hours researching everything about a year ago. The idea was to understand how democrats mysteriously became the party of civil rights when history proves otherwise. Now they've shifted their past discriminations to economic suffrage. The large trend shift came with the FDR's new deal and the implementation of socialism into our government system.
So I'm not 100% sure where you were going with this, but the question was pertaining to the relationship between the bible and gays. I don't think I'm yielding anything. It's not my position to judge one's sexual preference. In the US, nearly 80+% of the people believe in some devine being. The problem is their interpretation of the Bible. It's only God's job to cast judgment, not I. "He who is without sin may they cast the first stone." or at least something close to that. Well that's not I.

[you have male]

I can't be bothered looking it up but you should be able to tell me this: How many of the northern states were dominated by democrats immediately before and during the Civil War?

[Pia]

I don't know that answer but my state WA are dominated by democrates. Most of us are democrates and proud of it

[shawn69]

I can't be bothered looking it up but you should be able to tell me this: How many of the northern states were dominated by democrats immediately before and during the Civil War?

Not many! But I will look it up for you. I have a list of all the congressional seats for both houses of congress dating back prior to the civil war era. I just have to find it in the reams of research I have piled up.

[shawn69]

I don't know that answer but my state WA are dominated by democrates. Most of us are democrates and proud of it

That's fine! West Virginia kindof proves my point. Sen. Byrd. Former KKK member. Do you think a Republican could have stood a chance at running for office had he been a KKK member. Absolutely not. The media would have torn him a new a**hole.

[Pia]

So are you from there shawn? I don't know much about your state but that didn't sound good. Here we have a replublican mayor of Spokane using the computer to chat on the gay chatroom, offering favors to young gaymen. The replublicans want him out because it looks bad for replublicans. The man is selfish so he insists on staying.

[Pure-Angel]

Shawn69,

Your are something else!
I Love the way you think!
I SECOND!

[shawn69]

So are you from there shawn? I don't know much about your state but that didn't sound good. Here we have a replublican mayor of Spokane using the computer to chat on the gay chatroom, offering favors to young gaymen. The replublicans want him out because it looks bad for replublicans. The man is selfish so he insists on staying.

I'm from North Carolina. Our Senators are Dole and Burr. I think it's rediculous, but not surprised, that they would want him out because of his sexuality. It's probably the extremist pressuring for his resignation. What he chooses to do on his own computer and time is his business. If he's soliciting favors on tax payers time and money, that's another story. Otherwise I would embrace him into the party if he was a homosexual, transgender freak as long as he would uphold and defend the constitutional rights of all citizens to life, liberty, and property. Ultimately that is what I cherrish most.

[shawn69]

I can't be bothered looking it up but you should be able to tell me this: How many of the northern states were dominated by democrats immediately before and during the Civil War?

Start with the Confederacy:
36th Congress: March 4, 1859 to March 3, 1861

Alabama
Senators: Fitzpatrick (D) and Clay, Jr. (D)
Representatives: Stallworth (D), Pugh (D), Clopton (D), Moore (D), Houston (D), Cobb (D), Curry (D)

Arkansas
Senators: Sebastian (D), Johnson (D)
Representatives: Hindman (D), Rust (D)

Delaware
Senators: Bayard (D), Saulsbury (D)
Representatives: Whiteley (D)

Florida
Senators: Mallory (D), Yulee (D)
Representative at Large: Hawkins (D),

Georgia
Senators: Toombs (D), Iverson (D)
Representatives: Love (D), Crawford (D), Hardeman (D), Gartrell (D), Underwood (D), Jackson (D), Jones (D), Hill (R)

Kentucky
Senators: Crittenden (U), Powell (D)
Representatives: Burnett (D), Peyton (D), Bristow (O), Anderson (O), Brown (D), Adams (O), Mallory (U), Simms (D), Moore (O), Stevenson (D)

Louisiana
Senators: Benjamin (D), Slidell (D)
Representatives: Taylor (D), Davidson (D), Landrum (D), Bouligny (AP)

Maryland
Senators: Pearce (D), Kennedy (AP)
Representatives: Steward (D), Webster (UU), Harris (AP), Davis (UU), Kunkel (D), Hughes (D)

Mississippi
Senators: Brown (D), Davis (D)
Representatives: Lamar (D), Davis (D), Barksdale (D), Singleton (D), McRae (D)

Missouri
Senators: Green (D), Polk (D)
Representatives: Barret (D), Blair (D), Anderson (ID), Clark (D), Craig (D), Woodson (AP), Phelps (D), Noell (D)

North Carolina
Senators: Clingman (D), Bragg (D)
Representatives: Smith (O), Ruffin (D), Winslow (D), Branch (D), Gilmer (O), Leach (D), Craige (D), Vance (D)

South Carolina
Senators: Hammond (D), Chesnut, Jr (D)
Representatives: McQueen (D), Miles (D), Keitt (D), Bonham (D), Ashmore (D), Boyce (D)

Tennessee
Senators: Johnson (D), Nicholson (D)
Representative: Nelson (O), Maynard (R) Brabson (O), Stokes ®, Hatton (O), Thomas (D), Wright (D), Quarles (O), Ethridge (O), Avery (D)

Texas
Senators: Ward (D), Hemphill (SRD)
Representatives: Reagan (D), Hamilton (ID)

Virginia
Senators: Mason (D), Hunter (SR)
Representatives: Garnett (D), Millson (D), DeJarnette (ID), Goode (D), Pryor (D), Bocock (D), Leake (D), Smith (D), Boteler (O), Harris (D), Clemens (D), Jenkins (D), Edmundson (D), Martin (ID),

D=Democrat, O=Opposition Party, AP=American Party (later Know Nothing Party), U=Unionist, R=Republican, SR=States Rights Party, ID=Independent Democrat, SRD=States Rights Democrat
UU=Unconditional Unionist