Bringing the strap back in schools

[pinkroxy]

WHo thinks its a great idea to bring the strap back in schools.

I agree but not have under the extreme circumstances that they did in the old days.

I believe to only use the strap for really bad and disrespectful behaviour.

Such put in place as a:

1. telling off
2. warning
3. second warning - if you do it again you get the strap
4. the strap

It should only strictly be used on behaviour issues too.

What are your point of views on this ??

[brunettebimbo]

I think it is wrong, I wouldn't hit my own children so why should someone else?

[H. Franklin Layne]

Since the schools are being asked to teach children not only reading, writing, math, science, history, and trades, but also manners, and proper behavior because the parents feel it is part of the territory, then the kids need to know who is actually the boss.

If parents took responsibility for their children and prepared them to behave in school and be focused on learning, the strap wouldn't be necessary.

[The Colonel]

The schools won't - and plus - do the right kids ever get punished?

My second son was spat at, hit in the face, and called names. He could have fought back (he is a brown belt in judo). But he didn't. All of it was reported but the teachers DID NOTHING. Why? Because the pupils concerned were "acting on their religious beliefs", which effectively says it's OK to abuse someone if they are different to you.

Consequently, I gave him him full permission to hit them back and said so right in front of the head teacher. Guess what happened when he did hit them back?

[H. Franklin Layne]

The schools won't - and plus - do the right kids ever get punished?

My second son was spat at, hit in the face, and called names. He could have fought back (he is a brown belt in judo). But he didn't. All of it was reported but the teachers DID NOTHING. Why? Because the pupils concerned were "acting on their religious beliefs", which effectively says it's OK to abuse someone if they are different to you.

Consequently, I gave him him full permission to hit them back and said so right in front of the head teacher. Guess what happened when he did hit them back?

My guess, going on your tone, is that your son was disciplined and the jackass students were pitied?

[The Colonel]

The schools won't - and plus - do the right kids ever get punished?

My second son was spat at, hit in the face, and called names. He could have fought back (he is a brown belt in judo). But he didn't. All of it was reported but the teachers DID NOTHING. Why? Because the pupils concerned were "acting on their religious beliefs", which effectively says it's OK to abuse someone if they are different to you.

Consequently, I gave him him full permission to hit them back and said so right in front of the head teacher. Guess what happened when he did hit them back?

My guess, going on your tone, is that your son was disciplined and the jackass students were pitied?

You got it.

We home schooled him after that. It was only for a few months until he left anyway, so in that sense it wasn't too bad. But I'm moving my younger son (who is 14) away from there in the next academic year.

[Captain]

WHo thinks its a great idea to bring the strap back in schools.

I agree but not have under the extreme circumstances that they did in the old days.

I believe to only use the strap for really bad and disrespectful behaviour.

Such put in place as a:

1. telling off
2. warning
3. second warning - if you do it again you get the strap
4. the strap

It should only strictly be used on behaviour issues too.

What are your point of views on this ??

If anyone dared hit my child they would be punished
You can discipline children without hitting them, All that does is teach them
a.) If somebody does something you don't like - hit them, to make them stop
b.) if somebody won't do something you want them to do - hit them, to make them do it
c.) the strongest person wins


It would be illegal for me to hit someone elses child if I felt they needed disciplining so why should a teacher have the right? I personally am against disciplinary hitting but understand some parents feel it's necessary the key difference between you vs a teacher hitting your kid is the teacher doesn't love them, they may even dislike them.

No way.

[H. Franklin Layne]

If the parents teach the child proper manners and behavior patterns prior to the child starting the school, they won't have to worry about the strap, or the paddle, or being left behind due to school suspensions and lost attendance days for bad behavior. If the parents can't be bothered to do that, they have no place objecting to teachers and administrators maintaining control of the learning environment. There are more children's futures at stake than just that of the brat to consider.

[Captain]

Do you have kids? just curious

[H. Franklin Layne]

If I did, they would know how to behave in school before ever setting foot in one!

[The Colonel]

True to an extent, but as I mentioned earlier I often think the right children are not punished. When I was at school I was no angel! But those who were "evil" were almost never punished. Usually it was a case of favouritism with a teacher. Luckily I was often a favourite. But in any case, when reports were sent home and there was even a hint of anything negative - I was for it with my father.

I do think Captain makes a good point. Teachers can pick on students they dislike for one reason or another and I wouldn't want my kids hit by a teacher (even if they deserved it) - that is my place.

[H. Franklin Layne]

True to an extent, but as I mentioned earlier I often think the right children are not punished. When I was at school I was no angel! But those who were "evil" were almost never punished. Usually it was a case of favouritism with a teacher. Luckily I was often a favourite. But in any case, when reports where sent home and there was even a hint of anything negative - I was for it with my father.

I do think Captain makes a good point. Teachers can pick on students they dislike for one reason or another and I wouldn't want my kids hit by a teacher (even if they deserved it) - that is my place.

See, you believe in making sure a child is ready and trained to behave properly in school. It is your place to discipline them, and prepare them. The sad fact is, too many parents believe that teachers are responsible for instructing their kids in manners, etiquette, proper behavior, etc.... These same parents typically spend very little time supervising their kids doing their studies, or just talking to them.

The smart, and well behaved kids have nothing to worry about. For those that don't do their job in the home, and shirk their own responsibilities in discipline of their child, they don't get to whine about how the school keeps things going. One disruptive brat in a classroom screws every other kid from learning. A teacher has to spend so much more time on that one little turd of a child, that the rest don't get the attention they deserve in their education and learning goals. It only takes one bad apple to ruin a bunch!

[The Colonel]

True to an extent, but as I mentioned earlier I often think the right children are not punished. When I was at school I was no angel! But those who were "evil" were almost never punished. Usually it was a case of favouritism with a teacher. Luckily I was often a favourite. But in any case, when reports where sent home and there was even a hint of anything negative - I was for it with my father.

I do think Captain makes a good point. Teachers can pick on students they dislike for one reason or another and I wouldn't want my kids hit by a teacher (even if they deserved it) - that is my place.

See, you believe in making sure a child is ready and trained to behave properly in school. It is your place to discipline them, and prepare them. The sad fact is, too many parents believe that teachers are responsible for instructing their kids in manners, etiquette, proper behavior, etc.... These same parents typically spend very little time supervising their kids doing their studies, or just talking to them.

The smart, and well behaved kids have nothing to worry about. For those that don't do their job in the home, and shirk their own responsibilities in discipline of their child, they don't get to whine about how the school keeps things going. One disruptive brat in a classroom screws every other kid from learning. A teacher has to spend so much more time on that one little turd of a child, that the rest don't get the attention they deserve in their education and learning goals. It only takes one bad apple to ruin a bunch!

I do agree that discipline starts in the home. My boys have always known if they step out of line they'll have to face the consequences. The success of that approach is that they have never been in any serious trouble. There have been a few occassions where there have been issues at school, (such as I mentioned above) but none have involved my kids being in very serious trouble. I do remember 2-3 years back being asked to come in because Ryan had written on a whiteboard "I think our teacher is smelly" in German. That is about the extent of the trouble I've had! I might add I found it very amusing and also correct.

I also don't think teachers are capable of teaching children manners and responsibility. They seem to be a bunch of nitwits (with some exceptions).

[brunettebimbo]

WHo thinks its a great idea to bring the strap back in schools.

I agree but not have under the extreme circumstances that they did in the old days.

I believe to only use the strap for really bad and disrespectful behaviour.

Such put in place as a:

1. telling off
2. warning
3. second warning - if you do it again you get the strap
4. the strap

It should only strictly be used on behaviour issues too.

What are your point of views on this ??

If anyone dared hit my child they would be punished
You can discipline children without hitting them, All that does is teach them
a.) If somebody does something you don't like - hit them, to make them stop
b.) if somebody won't do something you want them to do - hit them, to make them do it
c.) the strongest person wins


It would be illegal for me to hit someone elses child if I felt they needed disciplining so why should a teacher have the right? I personally am against disciplinary hitting but understand some parents feel it's necessary the key difference between you vs a teacher hitting your kid is the teacher doesn't love them, they may even dislike them.

No way.

I'm totally with you on this one.

A man once hit m, he never did it again

[swee]

If the parents teach the child proper manners and behavior patterns prior to the child starting the school, they won't have to worry about the strap, or the paddle, or being left behind due to school suspensions and lost attendance days for bad behavior. If the parents can't be bothered to do that, they have no place objecting to teachers and administrators maintaining control of the learning environment. There are more children's futures at stake than just that of the brat to consider.

I agree. Children didn't behave wildly like current students when I was at school and the cane and ruler were in operation.