Bringing the strap back in schools

[Winston Smith]

I am undecided. Part of me thinks it would be a good idea and another thinks not.
The cane was still in use when I was at school and it certainly made me think twice. I was slippered a couple of times and yes, it did hurt but yes, it did teach me a lesson. I never could put my hand on my heart and say it was undeserved. But I think that you will always get a minority of kids for whom it does not matter how many times you cane them...they will never show respect or change their behaviour. So it isn't really the answer.

[boingo]

I think it is wrong, I wouldn't hit my own children so why should someone else?

Damn straight! It's child abuse. It's illegal to hit an adult, so why should children have any less rights?
If I had children and they were at school where they got hit by a teacher. That teacher would be getting more than a bit of slap by me!

Hitting children for any reason what so ever is illegal in some northern European countries and so it should be. When people hit their children, it doesn't teach the child how to get along with others or how to learn. All it teaches the kids is to hit people when they're frustrated and how to be scared and how to be a bully.

[Captain]

it is often the mood of the parent rather than the childs behaviour that influences whether the child will be hit.

It's illegal here.

[H. Franklin Layne]

I am undecided. Part of me thinks it would be a good idea and another thinks not.
The cane was still in use when I was at school and it certainly made me think twice. I was slippered a couple of times and yes, it did hurt but yes, it did teach me a lesson. I never could put my hand on my heart and say it was undeserved. But I think that you will always get a minority of kids for whom it does not matter how many times you cane them...they will never show respect or change their behaviour. So it isn't really the answer.

For those that never learn respect, then the military beckons! I don't have a problem recommending some punk for military service. If they want to act like a badass, let's see how tough they are in combat.

[brunettebimbo]

I am undecided. Part of me thinks it would be a good idea and another thinks not.
The cane was still in use when I was at school and it certainly made me think twice. I was slippered a couple of times and yes, it did hurt but yes, it did teach me a lesson. I never could put my hand on my heart and say it was undeserved. But I think that you will always get a minority of kids for whom it does not matter how many times you cane them...they will never show respect or change their behaviour. So it isn't really the answer.

For those that never learn respect, then the military beckons! I don't have a problem recommending some punk for military service. If they want to act like a badass, let's see how tough they are in combat.

What a load of cr@p! They are children for christ sake not criminals!

[The Colonel]

I am undecided. Part of me thinks it would be a good idea and another thinks not.
The cane was still in use when I was at school and it certainly made me think twice. I was slippered a couple of times and yes, it did hurt but yes, it did teach me a lesson. I never could put my hand on my heart and say it was undeserved. But I think that you will always get a minority of kids for whom it does not matter how many times you cane them...they will never show respect or change their behaviour. So it isn't really the answer.

For those that never learn respect, then the military beckons! I don't have a problem recommending some punk for military service. If they want to act like a badass, let's see how tough they are in combat.

Unruly teens should be sent to military bootcamps for a spell of disipline. I'm not saying they should be enlisted though.

I think that would be more effective than Young Offenders Institutions.

I recently sent several youngsters (all 15-17) to one of them (I had no choice, that's what the law demands). I like being a magistrate, but it does sadden me that we have to do this with the young. Some of them you can see come from crap families - and I really do feel sorry for them.

Time for a policy change I think.

[H. Franklin Layne]

I am undecided. Part of me thinks it would be a good idea and another thinks not.
The cane was still in use when I was at school and it certainly made me think twice. I was slippered a couple of times and yes, it did hurt but yes, it did teach me a lesson. I never could put my hand on my heart and say it was undeserved. But I think that you will always get a minority of kids for whom it does not matter how many times you cane them...they will never show respect or change their behaviour. So it isn't really the answer.

For those that never learn respect, then the military beckons! I don't have a problem recommending some punk for military service. If they want to act like a badass, let's see how tough they are in combat.

What a load of cr@p! They are children for christ sake not criminals!

What exactly do you think undisciplined, undereducated, school miscreants morph into? There are a lot of old sayings that make a lot of sense, that have been coined, FOR A REASON....one of which is "spare the rod, spoil the child!" If a kid goes through school, and just never gets it, that they must be a part of decent society, why not put them in the military! They are fairly well away from the society they refuse to embrace, and get to play out their badass fantasy where it is encouraged. Even if they get killed in combat, a heroes funeral is better than a prison sentence and life loser label!

[pinkroxy]

The thing is is that my parents had the strap back in school and it never did them any harm. They said that mostly everyone was successful and well behaved and got far in their lives.

I was brought up with a smack it never did me any harm I know I wouldnt dream of disrespecting someone else.

I can understand how the strap will be abuse because it can enforce injury but how else are you going to control the kids at school. Im more likely talking about teens by the way not littlies.

I like the idea of boot camp but the problem is is that the problem with teens start when they are young because their parents didnt give a damn and that is what makes their behaviour so terrible when they are teenagers. Here in New Zealand a teenager who has been brought up with great respect and morals would usually have a job by the age of 16 and stay in school till the end of their school years and graduate to go onto further study or move up in their work place. THey would usually spend the holidays working extra hours too.

THe ones that come from a bad area are usually 16 year old drop outs with no jobs and create trouble around the city because they are bored.

No child that is kept busy or been brought up well would go out and create trouble to the community.

I think we want to see more of the successful kids and they had that in a higher statistic back in my parents days but nowadays we are leaning more towards high school drop out bums because the teachers have no control. Plus the parents dont help there either.

[pinkroxy]

As for captain and brunettebimbo you are probably the type of parents that would bring your children up to have great respect for others and to go far in life so therefore I doubt your kids would rarely need the strap and Im talking about kids with really bad behaviour, they display behaviour that is shocking and shouldnt really be displayed in kids such as swearing abuse at people, violence and disrupting the class after they have had a few warnings already.

I believe you will be great enought parents that your children prob wouldnt go through that.

The strap will prob be like a last resort to scare the children into behaving better.

[brunettebimbo]

As for captain and brunettebimbo you are probably the type of parents that would bring your children up to have great respect for others and to go far in life so therefore I doubt your kids would rarely need the strap and Im talking about kids with really bad behaviour, they display behaviour that is shocking and shouldnt really be displayed in kids such as swearing abuse at people, violence and disrupting the class after they have had a few warnings already.

I believe you will be great enought parents that your children prob wouldnt go through that.

The strap will prob be like a last resort to scare the children into behaving better.

I disagree with it anyway, shape or form.

As I said anyone ever hits my children (when I have them) they will seriously regret.

Mum never hit me and I turned out, all this military stuff is b0llocks!

Kids are kids, if you can't control them without force don't have them!

[H. Franklin Layne]

As for captain and brunettebimbo you are probably the type of parents that would bring your children up to have great respect for others and to go far in life so therefore I doubt your kids would rarely need the strap and Im talking about kids with really bad behaviour, they display behaviour that is shocking and shouldnt really be displayed in kids such as swearing abuse at people, violence and disrupting the class after they have had a few warnings already.

I believe you will be great enought parents that your children prob wouldnt go through that.

The strap will prob be like a last resort to scare the children into behaving better.

I disagree with it anyway, shape or form.

As I said anyone ever hits my children (when I have them) they will seriously regret.

Mum never hit me and I turned out, all this military stuff is b0llocks!

Kids are kids, if you can't control them without force don't have them!

Great, if I happen to be the school administrator, and expel your kid for being incorrigible and a disruptive, don't appeal it! Home school him/her!

[The Colonel]

As for captain and brunettebimbo you are probably the type of parents that would bring your children up to have great respect for others and to go far in life so therefore I doubt your kids would rarely need the strap and Im talking about kids with really bad behaviour, they display behaviour that is shocking and shouldnt really be displayed in kids such as swearing abuse at people, violence and disrupting the class after they have had a few warnings already.

I believe you will be great enought parents that your children prob wouldnt go through that.

The strap will prob be like a last resort to scare the children into behaving better.

I disagree with it anyway, shape or form.

As I said anyone ever hits my children (when I have them) they will seriously regret.

Mum never hit me and I turned out, all this military stuff is b0llocks!

Kids are kids, if you can't control them without force don't have them!

No, it isn't bollocks.

The threat of force is often an excellent deterrent. It doesn't mean it actually has to be used - but it can be.

The threat of prison stops you from stealing doesn't it?

The threat of a smack stops a child misbehaving. Simple.

When you take the worst and you put them in the military (as a bootcamp) we are prepared to use the threat of force, as well as force itself - BOTH stop the bad behaviour! I have turned many THUGS into respectable young men I would invite into my home. It works.

Kids don't always need smacking and usually a verbal command should be enough. But if need be the smack is there to be used. I have rarely smacked my children - but when they were they REALLY deserved it, and they learned their lesson. No children are ever perfectly behaved but mine are just fine - because they know if they step out of line (e.g. criminal activity, drugs, binge drinking, smoking, thuggary) then they are FOR IT.

If "kids are kids", then should I let my kids take drugs or beat someone else up and say "Bad Boy"? Or should I break their arseholes? You really haven't much experience with parenting yet!

"Spare the rod, Spoil the child" is absolutely correct.

[Captain]

I will raise my son to know right from wrong. The trouble with controlling others through violence is that the minute the threat is removed the incentive to refrain from behaving in a particular way is removed.
That is forced respect and forced respect is a very shallow type of respect.

I don't steal because I know I have no right to take something from someone else and claim it as my own - nothing to do with prison.
Colonel that logic is like Fred being "moral" because he's afraid of hell (or a smack) vs you being moral because you know the difference between right and wrong.
Fear is a great form of control, but only when the source of that fear is present.

[brunettebimbo]

I will raise my son to know right from wrong. The trouble with controlling others through violence is that the minute the threat is removed the incentive to refrain from behaving in a particular way is removed.
That is forced respect and forced respect is a very shallow type of respect.

I don't steal because I know I have no right to take something from someone else and claim it as my own - nothing to do with prison.
Colonel that logic is like Fred being "moral" because he's afraid of hell (or a smack) vs you being moral because you know the difference between right and wrong.
Fear is a great form of control, but only when the source of that fear is present.

[H. Franklin Layne]

I will raise my son to know right from wrong. The trouble with controlling others through violence is that the minute the threat is removed the incentive to refrain from behaving in a particular way is removed.
That is forced respect and forced respect is a very shallow type of respect.

I don't steal because I know I have no right to take something from someone else and claim it as my own - nothing to do with prison.
Colonel that logic is like Fred being "moral" because he's afraid of hell (or a smack) vs you being moral because you know the difference between right and wrong.
Fear is a great form of control, but only when the source of that fear is present.

K, that is exactly why he will have nothing to worry about. Discipline, good manners, and learning begin in the home. I know you want Bailey to have every opportunity, you are smart enough to realize what the future could be for him without those qualities. Just imagine him in his first three years in school, which could be the most important years of all, and he has a few unruly, undisciplined, disruptive influences in his class. Not only will the teacher be playing catch up to other classrooms....he/she will always be after the few bad apples, but all the attention they are getting, could actually get B thinking they are cool. Class clown, and start hanging around them. I know you don't want that. Now imagine the parents of those children. Paint a picture in your imagination. From your life experiences, it will probably be pretty accurate. They don't spend time with their child, aren't there while the kid is doing homework, career over their education.....any combination. You don't want your son in a class full of emotionally impaired students. Which is why strict discipline is a must in schools.