emily`s out

[karrin]

She called charley a n***er

But it was more in ignorance than in an effort to offend her.

My take on it is that she did it to "fit in" to sound "street" , and it backfired on her stupid arse. I think she had to go and I think if someone like Charly had said that word she too needed to go. In whatever context it's used and whoever uses it ( whether they be black, white, and Asian), it's offensive

[Mr A]

hmmm ..

from what i've seen of emily she does not strike me as the racist type ..and i'm inclined to believe her when she said she didn't mean any offence by it

i watched the show and in the context the word was used ...imo it just didn't sound right .. the way it was said
I live in london ..and it's not uncommon at all to hear black people say and use the word when talking with each other ... very occasionaly as well i have heard a white person say it as emily did when joking around with black friends ...and when these white guys said it ..it didn't seem out of place and no one gave it a second thought or got offended ...but when emily said it ..it just didn't sound right ...i hard to put my finger on it

perhaps it was the fact that she is a white girl who speaks/sounds like a normal white girl and never seems to use the sort of slang a black person might use ..
on the rare occasions i have heard a white person use that word in a similar context when talking to black people ..the white people saying it pretty much always talked a similar way and used the same sort of slang/language as their black friends ...so thats probably why it sounded ok and didn't cause people to stop and think ...but emily dosen't ever talk or use any sort of similar slang that a sterotypical black person might use ...so thats probably why i think charlie was so shocked when the word just suddenly came out her mouth in that context, ..it defintely did sound a bit odd

..it's hard to describe ..but if emily was a white girl who often frequently used slang that a black person might use ...and had already displayed it on the program that she often uses slang a black person might use and then when said the word in that context it would have sounded more natural and i doubt charlie would have given it a second thought ...and then probably the conversation wouldn't have changed suddenly to wtf i can't beilve you just said that
..if that had happened she might of had a little chance to stay in the house ,.. but because of all that jade race stuff last year she maybe still would have got thrown out

if emily was black and said it in that context ..i think perhaps she would have got a warning for it (because of that jade stuff) but i doubt she would have got turfed out like she did


my opinion. emily has been watching too many rap and hip/hop video's on mtv.
yeah, she probably mean't no harm by it ...but that coming out of your average white girls mouth just sounded out of place and made you question it

[karrin]

hmmm ..

from what i've seen of emily she does not strike me as the racist type ..and i'm inclined to believe her when she said she didn't mean any offence by it

i watched the show and in the context the word was used ...imo it just didn't sound right .. the way it was said
I live in london ..and it's not uncommon at all to hear black people say and use the word when talking with each other ... very occasionaly as well i have heard a white person say it as emily did when joking around with black friends ...and when these white guys said it ..it didn't seem out of place and no one gave it a second thought or got offended ...but when emily said it ..it just didn't sound right ...i hard to put my finger on it

perhaps it was the fact that she is a white girl who speaks/sounds like a normal white girl and never seems to use the sort of slang a black person might use ..
on the rare occasions i have heard a white person use that word in a similar context when talking to black people ..the white people saying it pretty much always talked a similar way and used the same sort of slang/language as their black friends ...so thats probably why it sounded ok and didn't cause people to stop and think ...but emily dosen't ever talk or use any sort of similar slang that a sterotypical black person might use ...so thats probably why i think charlie was so shocked when the word just suddenly came out her mouth in that context, ..it defintely did sound a bit odd

..it's hard to describe ..but if emily was a white girl who often frequently used slang that a black person might use ...and had already displayed it on the program that she often uses slang a black person might use and then when said the word in that context it would have sounded more natural and i doubt charlie would have given it a second thought ...and then probably the conversation wouldn't have changed suddenly to wtf i can't beilve you just said that
..if that had happened she might of had a little chance to stay in the house ,.. but because of all that jade race stuff last year she maybe still would have got thrown out

if emily was black and said it in that context ..i think perhaps she would have got a warning for it (because of that jade stuff) but i doubt she would have got turfed out like she did


my opinion. emily has been watching too many rap and hip/hop video's on mtv.
yeah, she probably mean't no harm by it ...but that coming out of your average white girls mouth just sounded out of place and made you question it

Sorry , what's a "sterotypical black person"?
In whatever context it was said, and whatver her race was it was wrong. I wouldnt say she was racist, just stupid.

I mean where does it stop, would it be k to say " Wassup my Paki", " Wassu my cracker"?.. It's all offensive

[greeny]

what angers me is the fact that a black person can use the n word but if a white person uses it its a hanging offence

[karrin]

what angers me is the fact that a black person can use the n word but if a white person uses it its a hanging offence

But that's my bloody point nobody should use it ... it's offensive regardless, and the backlash amongst black people using it is on the up

FYI: Russell Simmons, founder of Def-Jam, has called for the removal of sexist and racist words from songs.
"The word 'N****' is a racially derogatory term that disrespects the pain, suffering, history of racial oppression, and multiple forms of racism against African-Americans and other people of colour."

So direct your anger at the use of the word itself.. not if black people use it .. blah de blah...

[greeny]

i find it hard to be mad at a word. i am mad at the people who use it

[Mr A]

what i meant when i say stereotypical black person is the way the majority of black people in england of that age talk to each other and the language they use.



two black people saying it to each other in a similar context ...i disagree it does not sound wrong

I am black myself, although i would not describe myself as the "stereotype" ...becuase i do not talk the way most black people in my area talk or use as much of the slang to that much of an extent as most ...I have more white friends than black ..probably because for some reason i find i seem to get on with white people better. don't get me wrong i do talk and use some slang that most black people in my area use from time to time ...but from having more white friends then black i don't really sound all that much like the sterotype.

getting back to the point, on occasion (although i myself use it quite rarely) I have used that word with black friends and I have seen other black friends use that word then talking with each other ...and no offence is ever caused. no one takes issue with it or anything

a white person can use that word too when talking to people and get away with it without it causing offence or make people start going wtf? ...but in order to do so the white person would need to really to regually talk in a similar fasion to how most black people talk ..and have it sound natural and not like he's taking the piss ...otherwise you'll just end up with the emily situation ...or worse get the living S*** kicked out of you if you come accross as being offensive or taking the piss.

I mean where does it stop, would it be k to say " Wassup my Paki", " Wassu my cracker"?.. It's all offensive

... other races don't seem to use words like that when talking with one another, ...however if they did ...maybe with time the word would become unoffensive when used like that between people of that race like the n word has become

don't get me wrong the n word is still offensive when someone wants to use it offensively
if a white guy comes up to a black guy and says "F*** off you n......"
its gonna be taken as "wrong" and offensive ...but when using the word in the right context between black people it does not sound "wrong" or offensive imo

like i said, i hardly ever use that word (last time i used it was like 2-3 years ago i think)...as i'm not really big on the slang ...but alot of black guys around my area will often use it ... it's just the way it is

[karrin]

what i meant when i say stereotypical black person is the way the majority of black people in england of that age talk to each other and the language they use.



two black people saying it to each other in a similar context ...i disagree it does not sound wrong

I am black myself, although i would not describe myself as the "stereotype" ...becuase i do not talk the way most black people in my area talk or use as much of the slang to that much of an extent as most ...I have more white friends than black ..probably because for some reason i find i seem to get on with white people better. don't get me wrong i do talk and use some slang that most black people in my area use from time to time ...but from having more white friends then black i don't really sound all that much like the sterotype.

getting back to the point, on occasion (although i myself use it quite rarely) I have used that word with black friends and I have seen other black friends use that word then talking with each other ...and no offence is ever caused. no one takes issue with it or anything

a white person can use that word too when talking to people and get away with it without it causing offence or make people start going wtf? ...but in order to do so the white person would need to really to regually talk in a similar fasion to how most black people talk ..and have it sound natural and not like he's taking the piss ...otherwise you'll just end up with the emily situation ...or worse get the living S*** kicked out of you if you come accross as being offensive or taking the piss.

I mean where does it stop, would it be k to say " Wassup my Paki", " Wassu my cracker"?.. It's all offensive

... other races don't seem to use words like that when talking with one another, ...however if they did ...maybe with time the word would become unoffensive when used like that between people of that race like the n word has become

don't get me wrong the n word is still offensive when someone wants to use it offensively
if a white guy comes up to a black guy and says "F*** off you n......"
its gonna be taken as "wrong" and offensive ...but when using the word in the right context between black people it does not sound "wrong" or offensive imo

like i said, i hardly ever use that word (last time i used it was like 2-3 years ago i think)...as i'm not really big on the slang ...but alot of black guys around my area will often use it ... it's just the way it is

Ok let me just correct you... Most black people of that age do not talk that way to people.. okay , they do not

Being near that age myself and having an 18 year old brother that stereotype is just that.. a stereotype. You being black yourself shouldnt help to perpetuate that stereotype.. what next all black women are wild in bed, all black men can dance , all black men are hung like donkey's.. all racial stereotypes.

I get on with people regardless of race and have friends of all races, my daughters' Godmother is Asian and my Son's Godfather is white.. that's the way I've chosen to be.. if you find you have an affinity with white people that's on you.. By "distancing" yourself from most "sterotypical " black people you're coming across as putting down black people

I pride myself in never ever using the N word , that's how I can be so anti it.. I have a young son who is not a N ...r and will never be a N...r.
The offence I get from that word is what it has represented and what it still represents. Nobody, but Nobody should use it and if Charly had used it and C4 had let her stay in the house I would have been screaming at them from day dot to kick her out.
I used to live in Forest Gate where there is a large Asian community and I often heard them using the P word against each ther... that shiit quickly got stamped out.
I have barred MTV Base and the U channel from my house because of this and they way that women are portrayed in videos.
I cannot accept the use of the N word in any circumstance and by anybody.. white , black or Asian

[karrin]

double post

[Mr A]

what i mean't was most black people of around that age use the sort of slang where the n word often comes up in

i think you probably you are right when you say the majority of black people don't use the n word. but a fair amount of them still do use the word and most black people of that age do use the sort of slang where the use of the word comes up ...therefore even if they don't use the n word themselves many don't get offended by it because the word is often used (in a way which does not intend to offend) amounst thier peers even if they don't themselves use it

I am black, i'm 21, I often come into contact with alot of other black guys. I know how most black guys speak ..and how much slang and the sort of slang they use ..so don't try and tell me that I am wrong.

as for your claim of me trying to distance myself .. i find i generally i get on better with white people than black people (more interests/stuff in common in general), therefore i have more friends which are white than black so natrually i'm picking up and using less of the slang than someone who has mainly black friends. i don't deliberatly think to myself to have more friends of one particular race ..

as for the n word and what it represents and how it was originally used.. yes i know all about that and i'm sure most of the people who use it on a regular basis do as well. like i said i harldy ever use it myself ...but when another black guy says it to a black guy it just dosen't cause offence to most people any more ... i do hear what you are saying about how you disagree the word shouldn't be used ...but amoung this age group alot group black people use it

[boingo]

To add my two cents in here. This isn't a dig at anyone; just a casual observation.

The terms "Black" and "White" are racially derogative too. Why must we stereotype people's skin tones into two opposite groups? They are separatist terms stemming back from the days of slavery. The christian slave masters considered themselves to be more pure and holy because they were "white" and their slaves were considered to be the opposite, due to their skin tone, and they were called "black".
It was just a poor excuse they used to justify their having slaves though.

The "N" word is a stereotypical reference to a location in Africa (with the addition of a second "g". The "N" word, and the term "black" were both used in exactly the same context.
To me both terms can be equally as offensive because they have the same origins.
Here, in Australia, we would never hear someone in the media use any of those terms. If they did, they'd probably be in serious trouble!

[Mr A]

The terms "Black" and "White" are racially derogative too. Why must we stereotype people's skin tones into two opposite groups?

what is the polictically correct term then?

hardly anyone i think gets offended when someone uses the term "black" or "white" to help describe a person

[karrin]

To add my two cents in here. This isn't a dig at anyone; just a casual observation.

The terms "Black" and "White" are racially derogative too. Why must we stereotype people's skin tones into two opposite groups? They are separatist terms stemming back from the days of slavery. The christian slave masters considered themselves to be more pure and holy because they were "white" and their slaves were considered to be the opposite, due to their skin tone, and they were called "black".
It was just a poor excuse they used to justify their having slaves though.

The "N" word is a stereotypical reference to a location in Africa (with the addition of a second "g". The "N" word, and the term "black" were both used in exactly the same context.
To me both terms can be equally as offensive because they have the same origins.
Here, in Australia, we would never hear someone in the media use any of those terms. If they did, they'd probably be in serious trouble!

I agree, but then coloured , ofey and such the like can be seen as the same

[karrin]

what i mean't was most black people of around that age use the sort of slang where the n word often comes up in

i think you probably you are right when you say the majority of black people don't use the n word. but a fair amount of them still do use the word and most black people of that age do use the sort of slang where the use of the word comes up ...therefore even if they don't use the n word themselves many don't get offended by it because the word is often used (in a way which does not intend to offend) amounst thier peers even if they don't themselves use it

I am black, i'm 21, I often come into contact with alot of other black guys. I know how most black guys speak ..and how much slang and the sort of slang they use ..so don't try and tell me that I am wrong.

as for your claim of me trying to distance myself .. i find i generally i get on better with white people than black people (more interests/stuff in common in general), therefore i have more friends which are white than black so natrually i'm picking up and using less of the slang than someone who has mainly black friends. i don't deliberatly think to myself to have more friends of one particular race ..

as for the n word and what it represents and how it was originally used.. yes i know all about that and i'm sure most of the people who use it on a regular basis do as well. like i said i harldy ever use it myself ...but when another black guy says it to a black guy it just dosen't cause offence to most people any more ... i do hear what you are saying about how you disagree the word shouldn't be used ...but amoung this age group alot group black people use it

as I said,many do but also many dont , and I'm glad that members of the rap community are now denouncing it... it's about bloody time

[boingo]

To add my two cents in here. This isn't a dig at anyone; just a casual observation.

The terms "Black" and "White" are racially derogative too. Why must we stereotype people's skin tones into two opposite groups? They are separatist terms stemming back from the days of slavery. The christian slave masters considered themselves to be more pure and holy because they were "white" and their slaves were considered to be the opposite, due to their skin tone, and they were called "black".
It was just a poor excuse they used to justify their having slaves though.

The "N" word is a stereotypical reference to a location in Africa (with the addition of a second "g". The "N" word, and the term "black" were both used in exactly the same context.
To me both terms can be equally as offensive because they have the same origins.
Here, in Australia, we would never hear someone in the media use any of those terms. If they did, they'd probably be in serious trouble!

I agree, but then coloured , ofey and such the like can be seen as the same

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that word. Isn't that a terrible term? I'd put that up there with the "N" word. Personally.

PS. I'm glad you realised I'm not trying to tell you, or anyone else what to do, and that I'm in no way trying to be argumentative.