The Obama Thread - Original Vintage Edition

by **Big Ben** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:56 am

ZiaAries wrote:Ben, I'm asking because I don't know... Why did Romney put money in Swiss banks?

I don't know. Maybe with the way o'bumma is bankrupting America, he wanted to hedge his risks and have some money denominated in a strong currency like the Swiss franc.

In any case, I trust Romney infinitely more than o'bumma. Infinity times zero can equal a positive number. :lol:

by **ZiaAries** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:16 pm

Big Ben wrote:
ZiaAries wrote:Ben, I'm asking because I don't know... Why did Romney put money in Swiss banks?

I don't know. Maybe with the way o'bumma is bankrupting America, he wanted to hedge his risks and have some money denominated in a strong currency like the Swiss franc.

In any case, I trust Romney infinitely more than o'bumma. Infinity times zero can equal a positive number.

Now now.

I'm not gonna let you sweep this one under the rug. His sheltering his bazillion$ has nothing to do with Obama. Without a doubt others put their money off shore too to avoid taxation, but, I don't see that as a 'good American' quality. It's legal but it's also legal cheating in Zia's book. Just saying. :whistle:

by **Big Ben** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:05 am

Both liberals and conservatives should read this fact check article about obama and his beloved Buffett tax rule. You know, Buffett, the same guy fighting the IRS over not paying more taxes. :roll:

You might ask yourself what o'bumma is trying to do in dividing the country over such a small ado. I would post it in full, except that it would take too much space. Winston, you might enjoy it as well. Here it is:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-buffett-rule-224605088.html

Zia, I'm not sweeping anything under the rug. Romney is not perfect. But unless you can show me that Romney did something illegal or morally reprehensible, it is a small thing compared to all of o'bumma's baggage. You don't even know how much money he had in Switzerland - for all you know it might have been a minor amount like $100k or so. When you fill out your tax return, it asks you about overseas accounts over $10k, and you have to report them. I have had overseas accounts, and have always paid tax on the income from them. There is no indication that Romney did anything different.

As the link above shows, o'bumma is barking up an barren tree, but there are a lot of people who don't understand business and finance in America. He should be more worried about his Secret Service partying with and screwing hookers instead of protecting him, than about his class warfare schtick.

by **ZiaAries** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:03 pm

Ben, Swiss banks are different on taxes and reporting, as well as the Cayman's. The amount is unimportant to me. As for morals, they vary among us. I would have voted for Obama (or not voted at all) over Gingrich due to my morals.

by **Big Ben** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:11 am

You don't do your own taxes, do you Zia?

Look at Schedule B, Interest and Ordinary Dividends, Part III, lines 7a, 7b and 8. The US requires disclosure and payment of taxes on account income earned overseas.

In fact, if an American works overseas, they get hit for American taxes. Expats from Britain, France, etc. don't get hit for taxes on earned income by their home country, when they work overseas. The US is relentless about collecting taxes on worldwide income, probably more than any country in the world.

So unless you can show that Romney did something wrong, you shouldn't be suspecting or judging him guilty of anything. In fact, since Swiss banks are know to be discrete, the very fact that it is known that Romney had a Swiss account probably came from Romney or his tax returns or his own disclosures.

Have you fallen for o'bumma's ridiculous "war on women" schtick and thus are trying disproportionately hard to find things wrong with Romney? :mrgreen:

by **ZiaAries** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:44 am

Don't even be trying that on me. :mrgreen:

I know "my" taxes. I don't prepare them myself though. I have no need for disclosure of oversea banking in Switzerland. Any money I have is in the US of A, the country that has given me every opportunity I've had in life. It is my moral obligation to keep and put money here. America can't benefit from it if it's put somewhere else.

For your info, I have worked outside the US. I have done 2 days work already this year somewhere cold, dreary and freaking miserable. I really should have donated my pay to them so they could buy beauty products and toothpaste. :lol:

My tax is always paid to the US. Contracts.

As for any such "war on women", those self-righteous Republican men, except Ron Paul, did that to themselves earlier this year. I posted about it in this thread. It has NOTHING to do with Obama and you know it doesn't. Or maybe you don't know it because you are not female. IF the Repubs don't get the vote of American women, they only have themselves to blame. First off, men need to stay OUT of women's reproductive lives. We didn't even have health care officials speak up for our health. Only one Republican, that I recall, sided with women and guess what? It was a Republican female! This is not religious freedom, IMO. This is men still after all these thousands of centuries, still trying to control women, even if it brings us disease and death. I highly resent it, Ben. They were wrong!

You know as well as I do, If Obama had money in a Swiss account, you'd be all over it like white on rice. :wink:

BTW, I wasn't nor have I judged Romney. I only asked you what's up with the money in Switzland because I want to know. I've accused him of nothing.

by **Big Ben** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:35 am

So have you looked at Schedule B yet? Go to the IRS website and look. Knowing your taxes isn't good enough if you didn't fill out schedule B personally, because you don't hold money overseas. You have to see what is asked of people with foreign accounts. Otherwise you are just assuming what you want to assume.

I do associate the "war on women" with obama. He has been campaigning on the taxpayers' dime at women's events. He personally got involved with Sandra Fluke, an activist who thinks she is entitled to force everyone to pay for her sexual frolicking.

As far as Romney, what has he said or done that makes you think he is against women? I really don't know what you are referring to and am not pulling your chain.

by **ZiaAries** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:29 am

Ben, the section on foreign accounts, part III is marked N/A. And no, schedule b is not filled out by me. I have an accountant, the same one who has done my taxes for more than X years. He fills it out, as well as my state tax forms and keeps me up to date on tax changes. I look it over, sign it, and write out a check, as well as write a hefty check to him. I'm sure we are talking about the same long, self-employed form of many pages. Dividends - interest and all other crap that lets us know that this part of life is BS. I am not good with tedious paper. It is my handicap.

As for foreign accts., I may be assuming. However, I wouldn't have asked if I knew. Like I wrote earlier, Cayman and Swiss banks are different, so I don't think it is unusual for anyone to want to what would motive a presidential candidate to put money there, no matter what the amount. BTW, it was Fox News who reported this.

You are so wrong about Sandra Fluke. I watched her testimony too. She did not ask for for anyone to pay for her sexual frolicking. She explained about the risk of ovarian and uterine cancers. Doctors should have been involved. It was all done wrong and the only people it hurts is women, whether they "frolick" or not. Medical reports of late tell us that women, sexually active or not, have a 50% less chance of ovarian and uterine cancers if they have taken birth control pills at least 5 years of their life before they are either 30 or 35. I forget which.

I didn't say that Romney alone made me think he was against women. Although, he didn't speak up for us, it was mainly Gingrich and Santorum who laid it on thick. Ron Paul rebutted the notion but Romney did not. I will not judge anyone based on their religion. That is one area I honor. However, our leaders need to honor the Constitution IF they are going to lead us and make laws for us. Our holy books are for personal guidance not a set of laws for a Democracy... "Freedom of Religion".

by **ZiaAries** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:01 am

To add: I don't care how much money the man has or even his tax breaks, as long as he has integrity and has made his wealth by honest means. I have a problem with banks that protect the client from paying US taxes. Legal or not, I take issue about it. It's a 'moral' thing to me.

I also have issue with those that have never served in the military to be the Commander-in-Chief. Only Paul has worn the uniform. No, this does make them unqualified, it's just my issue. I said it about Obama and now we'll have Romney. If there is any positives to come from it, maybe it will be that he won't be so quick to get the US in another war, however again... only Ron Paul made sense about that as well to me. The others was aggressive on war issues. I want us to stop being the world police.

by **Big Ben** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:16 am

Of course your tax forms say n/a for you. Read the questions! How would Romney have to respond?

Sandra Fluke did indeed feel entitled to make others pay for her sex. It is through higher insurance premiums. And she lied on the cost. She must think she is God's gift to the world and we are her subjects.

You still haven't said what you have against Romney's views on women. I have no idea what is going through your mind.

by **ZiaAries** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:47 am

Big Ben wrote:Of course your tax forms say n/a for you. Read the questions! How would Romney have to respond?

Oh. Okay.

Well, how am I suppose to know what you mean. You asked me, not Romney. :rotflmao:

It's the birth control pill situation, insurance and religion. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. That's what I get listening to NightLine and Kimmel and playing a new CD as well, all while posting on FF. If the subject had been about contraception only, perhaps I might think differently. But it wasn't. It was about the pills, which are used for more things than contraception. We've discussed this before in this thread.

I read your reply in the "die for your country thread". I've never been to India. I'm not sure I'll get to in this lifetime. The only reason I'd want to go is to purchase their beautiful fabrics and maybe some of their pretty gold.

by **DanMc** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:54 pm

Perhaps US voters will find this enlightening*. Mormon or Muslim?

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=76439

For those not familiar with this lot, it's not a wind-up they are deadly serious. Actually since most of them have had their sense of humour surgically removed they have little choice. Note that anyone who disagrees with the tide of ultra right wing evangelical bollox has their status changed to "Unsaved Trash". If you continue to use the forum to do the work of Satan, for example by saying Obama is not too bad really, your status will become "Unsaved Trash Under Investigation". Unless you repent you will be banned and your status becomes "Confirmed Enemy of God BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal (sic) Damnation Assured". The faithful are labelled "True Christian", and in order to attain that status you need to post things like:

"It's a known fact that Obama used the power of Satan to rise to power. It doesn't matter where he was born, he is the spawn of a demon seed"

"It is a known scientific fact that left handed people are Satanists"

"For eight years under the Godly President George W. Bush, America was close to being Heaven on Earth"

Be careful how you vote now unless you want to stoke the fires of hell forever.
:lol:

The sticky topic "FINAL PROOF! OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST!" is well worth reading for comedy value alone. Again it's not a wind-up, they really mean it.

*Or not!

by **ZiaAries** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:15 pm

Dan, Did the Royal military hero send you that page? :lol:

It looks like something he'd dig up and claim it represented every American, or at least the Republican ones. :doh:

What were you looking for to find that crazy site.

I wish Azraelle was here. He's Morman and he doesn't like Romney. I'd also like to ask him if Mormons believe in the Holy Trinity. I'm not sure they do... which is quite different from Christians. Bet ya those quacks don't know that. :idea:

And, drinking alcohol is a huge no no for them, just like it is for Moslems, so... What-eva!

Spare us from idiots like that. According to them, by their translation of scripture, Jesus will damn everyone on Earth.

Please tell me you didn't post there and tell them about this thread on FF. That would be horrible.

by **ZiaAries** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:26 pm

ZiaAries wrote::shock:

Dan, Did the Royal military hero send you that page? It looks like something he'd dig up and claim it represented every American, or at least the Republican ones.
What were you looking for to find that crazy site.

I wish Azraelle was here. He's Morman and he doesn't like Romney. I'd also like to ask him if Mormons believe in the Holy Trinity. I'm not sure they do... which is quite different from Christians. Bet ya those quacks don't know that. And, drinking alcohol is a huge no no for them, just like it is for Moslems, so... What-eva!

Spare us from idiots like that. According to them, by their translation of scripture, Jesus will damn everyone on Earth.

Please tell me you didn't post there and tell them about this thread on FF. That would be horrible.