Abortion: Agree or Disagree

[Guest]

You say abortion is not murder because it is 'not murder in law'. Does 'law' make it right? That arguement is S***

Killing Jews in WW2 in Europe was not murder because the law said it was not. Does that mean those who sent millions to the gas chambers are innocent?

Soon it will be legal in Britain for parents to have a post natal abortion- have the life of their children terminated upto the age of 5 years and 11 months. The Bill is before Parliament as we speak.

God help us, our only saviour is Europe. If that becomes law, it will be lawful to kill a child so that means it is not murder.

You sick bastards. You and your lawmakers are child abusers. Need bloody shooting

[animallover15]

Soon it will be legal in Britain for parents to have a post natal abortion- have the life of their children terminated upto the age of 5 years and 11 months. The Bill is before Parliament as we speak.

Utter rubbish!!!

[LightRibena]

Soon it will be legal in Britain for parents to have a post natal abortion- have the life of their children terminated upto the age of 5 years and 11 months. The Bill is before Parliament as we speak.

Utter rubbish!!!

Yeah, the government so want to legalise that.

[Kalith]

You say abortion is not murder because it is 'not murder in law'. Does 'law' make it right? That arguement is S***

Killing Jews in WW2 in Europe was not murder because the law said it was not. Does that mean those who sent millions to the gas chambers are innocent?

Soon it will be legal in Britain for parents to have a post natal abortion- have the life of their children terminated upto the age of 5 years and 11 months. The Bill is before Parliament as we speak.

God help us, our only saviour is Europe. If that becomes law, it will be lawful to kill a child so that means it is not murder.

You sick bastards. You and your lawmakers are child abusers. Need bloody shooting

Define killing and define life.

I mean comon, YOU prove to me that an unborn child is sentient. Prove to me that it is human under all definitions. If you fail in this, it is not muder, it would be merely canceling a process of your body. One that the parents will need to live with all their lives.

In WW2 if you look only hitler order the death of Jews, although he sought aid in his allies, they did not commit them to the chambers. Hitler on the other hand was a man who needed a scape goat, and why not take it out on his hated jews? Yes that S*** was killing, the term murder is all relative to the speaker. In the end those mass killings were wrong and sick.

Somehow i doubt a bill such as that would ever be passed, as a 5 year old would qualify without any doubt be sentient. Being sentien he qualifies to be human and therefor to end his/her life would be murder.

I don't quite understand where you are going with this statement.

And to end it off, you seemed so noble, but you warrent the punishement of death to be death? Seems ironic that you would bring this up after all you ranting on abortions being bad.

BTW if anything makes no sense...over tired and am going to bed now...

[Guest]

You say abortion is not murder because it is 'not murder in law'. Does 'law' make it right? That arguement is S***

Killing Jews in WW2 in Europe was not murder because the law said it was not. Does that mean those who sent millions to the gas chambers are innocent?

Soon it will be legal in Britain for parents to have a post natal abortion- have the life of their children terminated upto the age of 5 years and 11 months. The Bill is before Parliament as we speak.

God help us, our only saviour is Europe. If that becomes law, it will be lawful to kill a child so that means it is not murder.

You sick bastards. You and your lawmakers are child abusers. Need bloody shooting

Define killing and define life.

I mean comon, YOU prove to me that an unborn child is sentient. Prove to me that it is human under all definitions. If you fail in this, it is not muder, it would be merely canceling a process of your body. One that the parents will need to live with all their lives.

In WW2 if you look only hitler order the death of Jews, although he sought aid in his allies, they did not commit them to the chambers. Hitler on the other hand was a man who needed a scape goat, and why not take it out on his hated jews? Yes that S*** was killing, the term murder is all relative to the speaker. In the end those mass killings were wrong and sick.

Somehow i doubt a bill such as that would ever be passed, as a 5 year old would qualify without any doubt be sentient. Being sentien he qualifies to be human and therefor to end his/her life would be murder.

I don't quite understand where you are going with this statement.

And to end it off, you seemed so noble, but you warrent the punishement of death to be death? Seems ironic that you would bring this up after all you ranting on abortions being bad.

BTW if anything makes no sense...over tired and am going to bed now...

I suggest you ask any woman who has given birth whether "an unborn child is sentient."

I have several female friends who were ardently pro-choice and who had abortions, but whose position on the issue changed markedly after they gave birth.

[realkittyfantastico]

Soon it will be legal in Britain for parents to have a post natal abortion- have the life of their children terminated upto the age of 5 years and 11 months. The Bill is before Parliament as we speak.

Utter rubbish!!!

My thoughts exactly.

Don't make crap up "Guest". No one believes you.

[sexybk8xx]

i live in northern ireland and abortion is still illegal over here so over here it is classed as murder by the government. here and in the republic.

I'm not so sure that is murder. i think it should be by the girls choice but maybe not just as easy as it is now. like i know girls from when i lived in england who would just not use birth control then just go get rid when they got pregnant. this shouldnt be allowed. if you dont want the baby give it away dont get rid. there are plenty of people out there who cant have children who want to give a baby a good home.

[Guest]

It's amazing how many people say "abortion is not murder, but... "

There isn't any middle ground on abortion, only half hearted exceptions and some arbitrary rules, which is why it's a troubling ethical issue that may never get resolved. Technology does offer solutions however. Make sure your children have access to contraceptives as soon as they are fertile, unless you want to take care of their kids, or force them to make a decision that full grown adults have trouble reconciling.

It doesn't make any difference whether you support or dispise abortion if no one needs an abortion.

The broader field of eugenics is a whole other ethical and moral issue of course.

[Kate&Cam]

Agree with it entirely, I don't think anyone (or at least the vast majority) undertake an abortion lightly, I don't know anyone who's had one (myself included) who hasn't found it traumatic and painful - physically and emotionally. Even if a girl/woman appears blase about it I am almiost sure they are not. Yes it would be great if no one got pregnant accidentally, but life is not that easy and sometimes despite all precautions things happen.

When I had my termination i had it done privately and they actually gave me a scan picture and sent me away to think about it for an hour or so. The scan picture showed nothing, they had to put an x where the cells were so I would know - that's a huge difference from Cam's ten week scan when she was actually a proper little feotus, what i got rid of was barely even a cluster of cells - no more than any other bunch of cells on my body.

That said do I feel bad about it? hell yes, but only because I have a child now and I realise I could have coped and I would have loved my baby and I often wonder what that little bunch of cells would have become, but it's the choice I made, it's done now and if I hadn't made it I wouldn't have Cam.

[Guest]

Plain&Simple wrote:

ABORTION IS PREMEDITATED MURDER!

Calling it 'right to choose' is absurd!

What if I don't want to have you alive and:
"Chose to 'abort' your life?

What would be wrong with that, -
if Premeditatedly Murdering an innocent baby is ok?
Oh, excuse me;
the BABY IS GUILTY because:
Of r**** or defect right?
BTW:
Women have Premeditatedly MURDERED their in-utero Babies have a:

*MANY Times Greater Probaility of having b-reast & ALL Other female gender specific
*CANCERS, a Much Greater Likelyhood of committing Suicide and an:

Absolute Plethora of other medical & mental maladies! Obviously, those females who disagree;
Have not even a trace of what is known as:
HUMANITY. Twisted Evil

It is a form of satan worship to 'sacrifice' a baby, that is exactly what this 'politely termed' abortion is.

"ABORTION" IS PREMEDITATED MURDER!


For God's sake shut up!!! It is NOT murder. I diasagree with abortion when the bundle of cells (yes that's all it is!) begins to resemble a child. Until then it is not murder and a woman does have the right to choose.

Cussing

Here is a picture of a baby at 7 weeks:
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/fig09hands7.jpg

Of course it resemble a child but EVERY doctor will give an abortion at 7 weeks along.

Here are some more pictures:

Baby at eight weeks - Image 1
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/fig10legs8.jpg

If you really want to be informed about abortions you should go to this site:

http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/index.htm

and follow the links.

[Guest]

Here is a picture of a baby at 7 weeks:
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/fig09hands7.jpg

Of course it resemble a child but EVERY doctor will give an abortion at 7 weeks along.

Here are some more pictures:

Baby at eight weeks - Image 1
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/fig10legs8.jpg

If you really want to be informed about abortions you should go to this site:

http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/index.htm

and follow the links.

Those pictures are nothing but mental masturbation for you. Giving birth is messy too. Do you send pictures of childbirth to convince children to have children rather than abort? No, I thought not. This is known as hypocrisy.

"Right to life" should succeed on it's own merits and that argument is as weak as the pro-abortion camp. Neither can win because however you slice it, killing is messy, but living is just as messy.

You personally can't tell a child barely out of puberty that their child will be well cared for and they can go on about their life. It doesn't happen like that. Nothing is the same after you carry a baby inside you, whether you abort early or not. All you can do is try to decide whether an unformed fetus's future is more important than another (pregnant) child's future.

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. It depends on what kind of support the child has and no one is better equipped to decide that than the child and the child's family themselves.

[Phlyguy]

The notion of a fetus as a "person' is fairly modern. Even the Catholic Church didn't address this until the late 19th century, and even then they were somewhat wishy washy.

I'm not sure when this all changed, science has been precious little help in the argument. I suppose it has something to do with the advances in media distribution wherin the few have figured out how to manipulate the many.

[cubano]

most puerto ricans should have been aborted...

[Guest]

Those pictures are nothing but mental masturbation for you. Giving birth is messy too. Do you send pictures of childbirth to convince children to have children rather than abort? No, I thought not. This is known as hypocrisy.

"Right to life" should succeed on it's own merits and that argument is as weak as the pro-abortion camp. Neither can win because however you slice it, killing is messy, but living is just as messy.

You personally can't tell a child barely out of puberty that their child will be well cared for and they can go on about their life. It doesn't happen like that. Nothing is the same after you carry a baby inside you, whether you abort early or not. All you can do is try to decide whether an unformed fetus's future is more important than another (pregnant) child's future.

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. It depends on what kind of support the child has and no one is better equipped to decide that than the child and the child's family themselves.

WOW!! You must be in a really dark place in your life.

[Guest]

WOW!! You must be in a really dark place in your life.

How so? Because I recognize that the pro and anti abortion groups can never reconcile their differences, because they are both right?

Or because I'm pro abortion (only) when the child would be brought into a intolerable situation, or the mothers life is in danger?

Or that I'm anti abortion (only) if any parent would take responsibility (including the man, or an adoption agency), regardless of the mother's objections.