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Bringing the strap back in schools

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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby brunettebimbo » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:52 am

Captain wrote:I will raise my son to know right from wrong. The trouble with controlling others through violence is that the minute the threat is removed the incentive to refrain from behaving in a particular way is removed.
That is forced respect and forced respect is a very shallow type of respect.

I don't steal because I know I have no right to take something from someone else and claim it as my own - nothing to do with prison.
Colonel that logic is like Fred being "moral" because he's afraid of hell (or a smack) vs you being moral because you know the difference between right and wrong.
Fear is a great form of control, but only when the source of that fear is present.


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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby H. Franklin Layne » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:21 am

Captain wrote:I will raise my son to know right from wrong. The trouble with controlling others through violence is that the minute the threat is removed the incentive to refrain from behaving in a particular way is removed.
That is forced respect and forced respect is a very shallow type of respect.

I don't steal because I know I have no right to take something from someone else and claim it as my own - nothing to do with prison.
Colonel that logic is like Fred being "moral" because he's afraid of hell (or a smack) vs you being moral because you know the difference between right and wrong.
Fear is a great form of control, but only when the source of that fear is present.


K, that is exactly why he will have nothing to worry about. Discipline, good manners, and learning begin in the home. I know you want Bailey to have every opportunity, you are smart enough to realize what the future could be for him without those qualities. Just imagine him in his first three years in school, which could be the most important years of all, and he has a few unruly, undisciplined, disruptive influences in his class. Not only will the teacher be playing catch up to other classrooms....he/she will always be after the few bad apples, but all the attention they are getting, could actually get B thinking they are cool. Class clown, and start hanging around them. I know you don't want that. Now imagine the parents of those children. Paint a picture in your imagination. From your life experiences, it will probably be pretty accurate. They don't spend time with their child, aren't there while the kid is doing homework, career over their education.....any combination. You don't want your son in a class full of emotionally impaired students. Which is why strict discipline is a must in schools.
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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby The Colonel » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:44 am

Captain wrote:I will raise my son to know right from wrong. The trouble with controlling others through violence is that the minute the threat is removed the incentive to refrain from behaving in a particular way is removed.
That is forced respect and forced respect is a very shallow type of respect.

I don't steal because I know I have no right to take something from someone else and claim it as my own - nothing to do with prison.
Colonel that logic is like Fred being "moral" because he's afraid of hell (or a smack) vs you being moral because you know the difference between right and wrong.
Fear is a great form of control, but only when the source of that fear is present.


Do people not constantly fear the police? The Courts? Prison?

We are all kept in check every day by the fear of these things.
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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby pinkroxy » Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:19 am

Im sorry but I have to agree with Ivan and The Colonel they have mentioned some very good points, its true, rules are put into place for a reason and there has to be a consequence for not following them.

Children need boundaries they need to know that it hurts if they push the boundaries too far so they know when to stop. Captain you probably have no need to steal anything because you already have the money or as a child you got given most of the things you wanted but it will also be the consequence of your parents actions if they found out you had stolen something.

I believe that more the older people once they have moved out of teenage years think that the strap is a good idea I remember when I was younger thinking that the strap was a horrible idea and that it was abuse but now I see how it can be a good idea. Yes not everyone has to be forced to behave good but there are still some out there that have to be.

What really annoys me is seeing disrespectful young teenagers who only can get disciplined by detentions and time out and they laugh at that they think its cool and yet it pisses the teachers off because they dont learn their lesson also getting expelled or suspended from school well they probably wanted that. They need to know oh S*** I really must behave better and Im sure they wont be laughing at the strap. But this also comes into lack of support by the parents.

Captain and Brunnetebimbo I totally respect your decision but if your child got into trouble at school would you support the teacher and punish your child for what they had done ? because maybe that is what they probably need and not having parents who dont give a rats hoot and dont do anything and let their child just misbehave over and over again. Its going to happen I went through it and everytime the principal rung my mum well then she made it clear that I would never be naughty again. She never abused me no way far from it. I respect my mum and dad and they are great people always helping others and plus mum is a top social worker one of the best in Tauranga and she works at an Intermediate school. Both my parents got the strap in school and they say to this day it never did them any harm.
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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby brunettebimbo » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:10 am

The Colonel wrote:
Captain wrote:I will raise my son to know right from wrong. The trouble with controlling others through violence is that the minute the threat is removed the incentive to refrain from behaving in a particular way is removed.
That is forced respect and forced respect is a very shallow type of respect.

I don't steal because I know I have no right to take something from someone else and claim it as my own - nothing to do with prison.
Colonel that logic is like Fred being "moral" because he's afraid of hell (or a smack) vs you being moral because you know the difference between right and wrong.
Fear is a great form of control, but only when the source of that fear is present.


Do people not constantly fear the police? The Courts? Prison?

We are all kept in check every day by the fear of these things.


Nope - I just know right from wrong.
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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby Captain » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:20 am

brunettebimbo wrote:
The Colonel wrote:
Captain wrote:I will raise my son to know right from wrong. The trouble with controlling others through violence is that the minute the threat is removed the incentive to refrain from behaving in a particular way is removed.
That is forced respect and forced respect is a very shallow type of respect.

I don't steal because I know I have no right to take something from someone else and claim it as my own - nothing to do with prison.
Colonel that logic is like Fred being "moral" because he's afraid of hell (or a smack) vs you being moral because you know the difference between right and wrong.
Fear is a great form of control, but only when the source of that fear is present.


Do people not constantly fear the police? The Courts? Prison?

We are all kept in check every day by the fear of these things.


Nope - I just know right from wrong.



As do I.
If it were simply fear, what is to stop someone if they know they won't get caught?
Different strokes for different folks. Those who agree with it can physically punish their own kids those who don't won't.

In NZ it is illegal though, even for parents. They generally won't prosecute for light disciplinary smacking but they can
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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby The Colonel » Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:55 am

brunettebimbo wrote:
The Colonel wrote:
Captain wrote:I will raise my son to know right from wrong. The trouble with controlling others through violence is that the minute the threat is removed the incentive to refrain from behaving in a particular way is removed.
That is forced respect and forced respect is a very shallow type of respect.

I don't steal because I know I have no right to take something from someone else and claim it as my own - nothing to do with prison.
Colonel that logic is like Fred being "moral" because he's afraid of hell (or a smack) vs you being moral because you know the difference between right and wrong.
Fear is a great form of control, but only when the source of that fear is present.


Do people not constantly fear the police? The Courts? Prison?

We are all kept in check every day by the fear of these things.


Nope - I just know right from wrong.


Everyone knows right from wrong.

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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby Captain » Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:35 am

that is not true.

Do you not r**** women and kill infants because you don't want to be punished or is it because it is wrong and you have no desire to do so?
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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby H. Franklin Layne » Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:08 pm

Isn't it about time SOMEONE lowered the tone in this thread? :twisted: :eyebrows:

How can a thread about using the "strap on" students in schools be made to sound perverted?????
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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby The Colonel » Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:20 pm

Captain wrote:that is not true.

Do you not r**** women and kill infants because you don't want to be punished or is it because it is wrong and you have no desire to do so?


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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby pinkroxy » Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:43 am

The Colonel wrote:Everyone knows right from wrong.



I agree with that.
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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby Captain » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:01 am

it is social conditioning that dictates right and wrong, morals aren't inherent.
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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby pinkroxy » Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:03 am

Captain wrote:it is social conditioning that dictates right and wrong, morals aren't inherent.


yes I agree with you and that maybe the case with you and me.

But chances are that is not the case with alot of other people because they dont see that you must not do something wrong because its the wrong thing to do, some people will still do it regardless and that is why they have prisons and the police but even sometimes that doenst make a difference to some people.

To be honest alot of it does come down to parenting, children do need guidance and boundaries to feel secure in themsleves and their lives. The strap is usually a guideline to show kids that they mustnt behave like this otherwise a punishment is put into place but it is used as a last resort. I do know though if I was a school teacher and the straps were allowed I dont think I would be able to cope with strapping as child myself I would have to get someone else to do it for me.

But I will tell you this I work at an Aquatic and fitness centre where over the holidays lots of children come and use the pool facility. We have had some pretty nasty children come in that do not listen to the lifeguards and if the lifeguards tell them not to do something they just get sworn and abused at. One incident was three 13 year old girls who abused the crap put of a lifeguard and wouldnt leave when asked to and threatened to beat up the lifeguard. THe three girls walked away laughing as thinking it was funny that they got kicked out, if they didnt learn a lesson then what would teach them. I think the kids these days are getting more and more scarier because of the lack of discipline and it scares the hell out of me knowing that I have to deal with them aswell. I think I was meaning bringing the strap back was so that we dont have kids like that, I mean the horrible nasty ones that abuse and scare the hell out of people.
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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby Lena » Mon May 03, 2010 2:57 pm

I won't even comment on the overflowing absurdity in this thread............. :lol:
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Re: Bringing the strap back in schools

Postby lilbex » Mon May 24, 2010 4:56 pm

I definitely don't agree with the strap/cane, violence breeds violence and just makes it seem like if you're not happy with someone you should just resort to violence, plus would you really trust a teacher not to go to far, I wouldn't
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