The Obama Thread - Original Vintage Edition

[Big Ben]

Perhaps US voters will find this enlightening*. Mormon or Muslim?

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=76439

For those not familiar with this lot, it's not a wind-up they are deadly serious. Actually since most of them have had their sense of humour surgically removed they have little choice. Note that anyone who disagrees with the tide of ultra right wing evangelical bollox has their status changed to "Unsaved Trash". If you continue to use the forum to do the work of Satan, for example by saying Obama is not too bad really, your status will become "Unsaved Trash Under Investigation". Unless you repent you will be banned and your status becomes "Confirmed Enemy of God BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal (sic) Damnation Assured". The faithful are labelled "True Christian", and in order to attain that status you need to post things like:

"It's a known fact that Obama used the power of Satan to rise to power. It doesn't matter where he was born, he is the spawn of a demon seed"

"It is a known scientific fact that left handed people are Satanists"

"For eight years under the Godly President George W. Bush, America was close to being Heaven on Earth"

Be careful how you vote now unless you want to stoke the fires of hell forever.


The sticky topic "FINAL PROOF! OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST!" is well worth reading for comedy value alone. Again it's not a wind-up, they really mean it.

*Or not!

Haha, Dan, that is pretty funny!

Here is another post from the forum:

Should You Wait Until You're Married to Kiss???

Yes. Yes, you should.

Even if most of our heathen, libertine society thinks otherwise, kissing is a form of sex. And sex before marriage (fornication) is a terrible sin. Fornicators are right up there with murderers and thieves.

Rev. 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

1 Cor. 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

So, if kissing is sex, and you kiss before marriage, you are damning yourself to Hell.

But, you may be wondering, how is kissing sex? Well, if you are a woman or under 18 years of age, you may want to skip the following section because I will be using graphic, explicit language for the sake of justifying why kissing is sex. Just take me on my word that it is sex. Otherwise, there's a scientific explanation if you're interested..

See, there are three components of sex: Oral, Genital, and Anal. You can take these three components and get a variety of permutations. The most well-known version is Genital-Genital, also known as coitus, and what most people think of when you use the word "sex". There is then Genital-Oral, which is known as "fellatio" and "cunnilingus". Then there is Genital-Anal, which is known as "sodomy" or "anal sex".

Now we start getting into real depraved actions. There is Anal-Oral, known as "analingus" where one person, well you can figure it out. Then there is the mysterious and rarely practiced Anal-Anal, which as far as I know doesn't have a common name, but undoubtedly morally bankrupt homosexuals indulge themselves in this strange fetish in bathroom stalls all across America.

Finally, we get to the last permutation: Oral-Oral, also known as "kissing". Suddenly, kissing doesn't look so innocent when it's in the same category as a man putting his tallywhacker in a woman's cooter, or a homosexual licking the anus of another man. Kissing is no different than these activities! Which makes people that kiss in public on the same level as those baboons which mate in front of tourists at the zoo.

Now, despite the fact that I believe strongly that an unmarried couple should wait until they are married to kiss, I am by no means a prude. It might surprise you but I can be quite liberal and permissive when it comes to sexuality. For example, I think, in certain circumstances, it's okay if an unmarried couple holds hands. I can just hear everyone calling me some "free love hippie" for saying that, but hear me out. As long as a couple is engaged to be married, and they're in the privacy of their own home, and they don't hold hands for more than a couple minutes, then I think it's okay.

Still, let's remember what is important: Kissing is sex. Kissing before marriage is fornication. Fornicators burn in Hell. That is all you need to know

[Big Ben]

Of course your tax forms say n/a for you. Read the questions! How would Romney have to respond?

Oh. Okay. Well, how am I suppose to know what you mean. You asked me, not Romney.

It's the birth control pill situation, insurance and religion. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. That's what I get listening to NightLine and Kimmel and playing a new CD as well, all while posting on FF. If the subject had been about contraception only, perhaps I might think differently. But it wasn't. It was about the pills, which are used for more things than contraception. We've discussed this before in this thread.

I read your reply in the "die for your country thread". I've never been to India. I'm not sure I'll get to in this lifetime. The only reason I'd want to go is to purchase their beautiful fabrics and maybe some of their pretty gold.

So are you satified now that the IRS asks Romney to disclose his overseas accounts?

I'm still not completely sure what you are unhappy about with Romney. But dual-use items are always going to cause problems, and it seems like if you blame anyone/anything, you should be blaming religion, rather than the men who believe in a religion.

I'm not sure you'll like India. It is a tough place to travel. But if you are willing to go for the life experience, it will reinforce your correct statements that the less fortunate in western countries are nowhere near as badly off as the poor in countries like India. I bought two large hand-woven, silk Indian rugs while I was there, which are much cheaper there than in western countries.

[tidho]

Fascinating campaign Obama is running. Basically coming down to this:
Nevermind what I've done in the past, if you elect Republicans they'll cut programs!

....ummmmm, yep. That's what Republicans are saying too, you know cause of the trillions of debt, lol. Yet the American people haven't embraced economic reality preferring to join in on the charade that is villifying the rich.

[ZiaAries]

Of course your tax forms say n/a for you. Read the questions! How would Romney have to respond?

Oh. Okay. Well, how am I suppose to know what you mean. You asked me, not Romney.

It's the birth control pill situation, insurance and religion. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. That's what I get listening to NightLine and Kimmel and playing a new CD as well, all while posting on FF. If the subject had been about contraception only, perhaps I might think differently. But it wasn't. It was about the pills, which are used for more things than contraception. We've discussed this before in this thread.

I read your reply in the "die for your country thread". I've never been to India. I'm not sure I'll get to in this lifetime. The only reason I'd want to go is to purchase their beautiful fabrics and maybe some of their pretty gold.

So are you satified now that the IRS asks Romney to disclose his overseas accounts?

I'm still not completely sure what you are unhappy about with Romney. But dual-use items are always going to cause problems, and it seems like if you blame anyone/anything, you should be blaming religion, rather than the men who believe in a religion.

I'm not sure you'll like India. It is a tough place to travel. But if you are willing to go for the life experience, it will reinforce your correct statements that the less fortunate in western countries are nowhere near as badly off as the poor in countries like India. I bought two large hand-woven, silk Indian rugs while I was there, which are much cheaper there than in western countries.

His disclosure was never an issue with me. I never said it was. I said that I want to know why, his reasons, for putting money in Swiss banking.

Why should one blame religion? That's like blaming the cake that made me gain a pound instead of blaming myself for eating the cake. It is his use of religion that, in this situation, is counterproductive to the health of women.

[ZiaAries]

Fascinating campaign Obama is running. Basically coming down to this:
Nevermind what I've done in the past, if you elect Republicans they'll cut programs!

....ummmmm, yep. That's what Republicans are saying too, you know cause of the trillions of debt, lol. Yet the American people haven't embraced economic reality preferring to join in on the charade that is villifying the rich.

Obama seems to have forgotten there is more than one kind of people that makes up our country. The Robin Hood game is going to leave nothing left to take... hence, nothing left to give away.

I despise election years!

[ZiaAries]

Finally, we get to the last permutation: Oral-Oral, also known as "kissing". Suddenly, kissing doesn't look so innocent when it's in the same category as a man putting his tallywhacker in a woman's cooter, or a homosexual licking the anus of another man. Kissing is no different than these activities! Which makes people that kiss in public on the same level as those baboons which mate in front of tourists at the zoo.

[gwanjis54]

what an odd thread this is? kissing bad? fornicators going to hell? obama satan? what ever happened to rational discourse?

[DanMc]

what an odd thread this is? kissing bad? fornicators going to hell? obama satan? what ever happened to rational discourse?

You mean it's odd that a thread about Obama which started almost immediately after he became President and long before he had actually done anything much has so far attracted 252488 views and 7147 replies when there was no equivalent thread about George Dubya? It seems odd to me, but I'm not American. Whether the antipathy towards Obama is down to right-wing bias, racism, Islamophobia (despite the fact that he isn't a Muslim) or a mixture all three is something you will have to decide yourself.


Out of fairness though I should point out again that the landoverbaptist reference I posted turned out to be fake and I really should have checked it out more thoroughly posting it. The reason it seemed genuine enough is that far-right nut-job sites both in the US and UK are so bizarre, hateful and incredibly ridiculous it didn't seem out of place. Nevertheless I got it wrong.

[ZiaAries]

what an odd thread this is? kissing bad? fornicators going to hell? obama satan? what ever happened to rational discourse?

You mean it's odd that a thread about Obama which started almost immediately after he became President and long before he had actually done anything much has so far attracted 252488 views and 7147 replies when there was no equivalent thread about George Dubya? It seems odd to me, but I'm not American. Whether the antipathy towards Obama is down to right-wing bias, racism, Islamophobia (despite the fact that he isn't a Muslim) or a mixture all three is something you will have to decide yourself.


Out of fairness though I should point out again that the landoverbaptist reference I posted turned out to be fake and I really should have checked it out more thoroughly posting it. The reason it seemed genuine enough is that far-right nut-job sites both in the US and UK are so bizarre, hateful and incredibly ridiculous it didn't seem out of place. Nevertheless I got it wrong.

I think you are being unfair Dan. It draws your attention too. It's not all right wing. You are proof of that. We have conversations with each other about matters that matter to us. And, your comment about it being racist and Islamophobe is incorrect as well. I will never understand why discussing race is considered racist to some people, such as yourself, hard-core Democrat Lena and those of afro decent who were once posting here. They even tried to get this thread banned and they weren't even American! I can't image any of the Americans trying to get a thread banned where the British were discussing the politics of your own country. That wouldn't make sense. You'd think those who wanted it banned thought Obama was their mother or father. You like Obama. You, as well as my friend Lena, think anything that is not bragging on him and confirming that he doesn't walk on water, you think is a attack on him. Just like you got the LandOver Baptist BS wrong by not throughly or properly reading, you have done the same here. BTW, I haven't EVER seen a thread on your Commander-in-Chief, HM the Queen, who is just an equal in the Iraqi war as George Dubya. Such seems odd to me, but then again, I'm not British.

BTW, if you'd read throughly, we discuss all kinds of American issues in this thread. Many of them have nothing to do with Obama. We are just discussing with each other because the topics we want to share and chat about. It's beats starting other threads with just a few replies. Just think of it a meeting place among us Yanks. It's not like we are hiding anything.

You are most definitely welcomed here as well as your opinions and thoughts. I like having opposing ideas. I miss Lena contribution. I don't miss derogatory racist terms though. All of the right took issue with her about that. Very distasteful and mean slang. No one to the left or liberal British said anything about "uncle tom", "organ grinder" among other words she used on black Republicans. I guess it's different is a black person is Republican. As for me, I'm middle of the road in my political thinking... I think. Frankly, if Democrats were responsible with money, I would be one. That is just about the only big issue that keeps me leaning to the right. I care about our economy for all people, not just putting money in the pockets of people and enabling them to be hooked, just like being hooked on a drug and unable to function in society.

To Add:

Dan, when Obama has spoke of the black community here about negative behaviors and what he would like to see changed for the better, he gets called the derogatory "white man" who's turned against his own race. He rarely publicly voices those concerns anymore because it's too controversial, or hurtful, or some folks don't like positive criticism, even when they say they see him as a role model. I just find it strange that even he can't say anything unless someone makes a big deal out of it and try to turn it into something ugly, or something it is not.

[Big Ben]

Of course your tax forms say n/a for you. Read the questions! How would Romney have to respond?

Oh. Okay. Well, how am I suppose to know what you mean. You asked me, not Romney.

It's the birth control pill situation, insurance and religion. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. That's what I get listening to NightLine and Kimmel and playing a new CD as well, all while posting on FF. If the subject had been about contraception only, perhaps I might think differently. But it wasn't. It was about the pills, which are used for more things than contraception. We've discussed this before in this thread.

I read your reply in the "die for your country thread". I've never been to India. I'm not sure I'll get to in this lifetime. The only reason I'd want to go is to purchase their beautiful fabrics and maybe some of their pretty gold.

So are you satified now that the IRS asks Romney to disclose his overseas accounts?

I'm still not completely sure what you are unhappy about with Romney. But dual-use items are always going to cause problems, and it seems like if you blame anyone/anything, you should be blaming religion, rather than the men who believe in a religion.

I'm not sure you'll like India. It is a tough place to travel. But if you are willing to go for the life experience, it will reinforce your correct statements that the less fortunate in western countries are nowhere near as badly off as the poor in countries like India. I bought two large hand-woven, silk Indian rugs while I was there, which are much cheaper there than in western countries.

His disclosure was never an issue with me. I never said it was. I said that I want to know why, his reasons, for putting money in Swiss banking.

Why should one blame religion? That's like blaming the cake that made me gain a pound instead of blaming myself for eating the cake. It is his use of religion that, in this situation, is counterproductive to the health of women.

With respect to Romney, look at your posts of April 16 at 16:16 and 21:03 on page 476. You talked about sweeping under the rug, sheltering of bazillions of dollars, tax avoidance, and morals. If he disclosed the accounts on his tax returns, then none of that would be possible. You were talking about what you perceived as possible wrongdoing through lack of disclosure and payment of taxes.

With respect to women, your cake analogy doesn't work. Cakes don't have tenets, belief, or rules to follow; they are passive stationary objects. Religion does. Some religions prohibit the use of birth control. Dual uses of birth control doesn't fit into the inflexibility of that religious paradigm. You can't sort of take the religion or just take the parts you want on that issue. That is why I think you are being unfair to blame the men who expouse that religion, rather than the inflexible tenets of the religion itself.

[ZiaAries]

With respect to Romney, look at your posts of April 16 at 16:16 and 21:03 on page 476. You talked about sweeping under the rug, sheltering of bazillions of dollars, tax avoidance, and morals. If he disclosed the accounts on his tax returns, then none of that would be possible. You were talking about what you perceived as possible wrongdoing through lack of disclosure and payment of taxes.

With respect to women, your cake analogy doesn't work. Cakes don't have tenets, belief, or rules to follow; they are passive stationary objects. Religion does. Some religions prohibit the use of birth control. Dual uses of birth control doesn't fit into the inflexibility of that religious paradigm. You can't sort of take the religion or just take the parts you want on that issue. That is why I think you are being unfair to blame the men who expouse that religion, rather than the inflexible tenets of the religion itself.

First paragraph, forget what I wrote about taxes. I want to know why he took money that could be used in the US and put in a Swiss bank. He could have put in an Irish bank, but he didn't. Hopefully, it will come out. Maybe there is nothing to it. But... I'll wait and see.

Second paragraph, you and I will have to disagree. I posted a link a few pages back about the need for Catholic nuns to take the BC pill due to the high number of them getting ovarian and uterine cancers. This is one of those things where religion is interfering with women's health rights. And, I would love to know if religion prohibits subscribing Viagra. BTW, aspirin has multiple uses. So has many medications.

[Big Ben]

what an odd thread this is? kissing bad? fornicators going to hell? obama satan? what ever happened to rational discourse?

You mean it's odd that a thread about Obama which started almost immediately after he became President and long before he had actually done anything much has so far attracted 252488 views and 7147 replies when there was no equivalent thread about George Dubya? It seems odd to me, but I'm not American. Whether the antipathy towards Obama is down to right-wing bias, racism, Islamophobia (despite the fact that he isn't a Muslim) or a mixture all three is something you will have to decide yourself.


Out of fairness though I should point out again that the landoverbaptist reference I posted turned out to be fake and I really should have checked it out more thoroughly posting it. The reason it seemed genuine enough is that far-right nut-job sites both in the US and UK are so bizarre, hateful and incredibly ridiculous it didn't seem out of place. Nevertheless I got it wrong.

There aren't that many conservatives on the forum, so they certainly didn't view the o'bumma thread over a quarter of a million times. There are a lot of people who lurk, but are shy about posting. For example, only Zia and I have posted since you posted, yet as of now there are already 252,516 views, 28 more since you posted. It would be interesting if the lurkers announced themselves and started contributing to the discussion. As long as they post seriously and do not engage in name calling or personal attacks, they are welcome to post here.

Zia has already very eloquently responded to your comment on the o'bumma thread, so I'll just add one item. People who imply or call legitimate criticism of minority politicians racist, are actually creating and perpetuating racism themselves. They are implying those minorities and their actions cannot be judged or held accountable on their own merits, and require the special treatment of not receiving any legitimate criticism. Holding those minority politicians to a lower standard than the rest of the population to is deleterious to society, not to mention the politicians that are being artificially and inappropriately protected.

[Big Ben]

With respect to Romney, look at your posts of April 16 at 16:16 and 21:03 on page 476. You talked about sweeping under the rug, sheltering of bazillions of dollars, tax avoidance, and morals. If he disclosed the accounts on his tax returns, then none of that would be possible. You were talking about what you perceived as possible wrongdoing through lack of disclosure and payment of taxes.

With respect to women, your cake analogy doesn't work. Cakes don't have tenets, belief, or rules to follow; they are passive stationary objects. Religion does. Some religions prohibit the use of birth control. Dual uses of birth control doesn't fit into the inflexibility of that religious paradigm. You can't sort of take the religion or just take the parts you want on that issue. That is why I think you are being unfair to blame the men who expouse that religion, rather than the inflexible tenets of the religion itself.

First paragraph, forget what I wrote about taxes. I want to know why he took money that could be used in the US and put in a Swiss bank. He could have put in an Irish bank, but he didn't. Hopefully, it will come out. Maybe there is nothing to it. But... I'll wait and see.

Second paragraph, you and I will have to disagree. I posted a link a few pages back about the need for Catholic nuns to take the BC pill due to the high number of them getting ovarian and uterine cancers. This is one of those things where religion is interfering with women's health rights. And, I would love to know if religion prohibits subscribing Viagra. BTW, aspirin has multiple uses. So has many medications.

On the first paragraph, I'm not bothered as long as Romney paid his taxes. If I was a rich as Romney, I'd diversify my holdings away from the US dollar too.

On the second paragraph, see your bolded sentence. That is precisely my point. I think you should be blaming the religion for being inflexible and not keeping up with the times. Instead, your anger is misdirected at the politicians who are merely supporting the religion, rather than where it should be focused: on the inflexibility of the religion.

[ZiaAries]

On the second paragraph, see your bolded sentence. That is precisely my point. I think you should be blaming the religion for being inflexible and not keeping up with the times. Instead, your anger is misdirected at the politicians who are merely supporting the religion, rather than where it should be focused: on the inflexibility of the religion.

It's how they interpreted it. What do you think it falls under, even when it's a married couple? It doesn't kill the egg. It prevents ovulation. One of these days it's going to be just one more of the zillion things the Vatican will apologize for. Considering they are celibate, they can't make claims of "be fruitful and multiply the Earth". The only method approved by the Vatican is the rhythm method. So, they obviously don't mind sex when it's not for reproduction. I'd venture to guess those who say they are against it due to religion does not have a clue about how the pill works or examined their belief based on scripture. I can't think of any scripture that would support the reasoning. I'm blaming the politicians. Religion doesn't vote. Our lawmakers do.

[gwanjis54]

wow! i guess this does get to lots of different issues. i'll dive in:

anyone has the right to criticize a politician in america; it comes with the territory. while i am a strong obama supporter, he's a bit too centrist for me, so i've criticized him myself from time to time. but america is a centrist country, not right, not left, but centrist. but he's done some great things, having inherited two disastrous wars, an economy that was in tatters, the most unfairand expensive health care system in the world (80% of all foreclosures in the U.S. in 2010 were due to health care costs plus expensive mortgages), and a foreign policy that was just plain arrogant and stupid.
we have come a long way from those days but have much farther to go, and the President is the person to lead us. the tea party in america, which is pretty much like the ku klux klan without robes (how many people of colour are members of the teaparty), is still exerting the tyranny of the minority in the house of representatives, but as a movement, has hit its peek. in 2010, even sarah palin's endorsed candidate in alaska lost to a write in candidate.
when the critics of the president go after his race, his family, and his religion, and in ways that are clearly bigoted, they demean themselves more than they hurt him. the facts are clear; he's not a muslim, was born in america, and is absolutely not a socialist of any sort (i am, so i can say that with clear authority.)

the right wing wants it both ways: none to little government intervention except in the bedroom, where they should be able to tell women what to do with their bodies. this stand, along with their appalling, little thought out, and unamerican stand on immigration, will cost them the election, as they'll lose women, independents, and minorities, groups they cannot win without.

must get ready for work (i teach english in paris), but i'll chime in on foreign policy later. glad to be here!