who created God?

[The Colonel]

Oh, you mean the unproven theory that the infinite universe was created randomly from nothing by a "big bang."

The "Big Bang" theory is no less "guesswork" and no less far-fatched than the existence of a metaphysical hiher power, God.

Ask any scientist what are the scientific odds that there exists in the infinite universe a life form more advanced and more intelligent than humans, and that scientist will admit the odds are that there is.

That's God.

Unproven, yes. Guesswork, yes, but based on much better grounds than a religious text ever could provide.

It is much less far fetched than some bloke creating the universe.

[Guest]

Guesswork is guesswork.

And no one said God is "some bloke."

[Guest]

Oh, you mean the unproven theory that the infinite universe was created randomly from nothing by a "big bang."

The "Big Bang" theory is no less "guesswork" and no less far-fatched than the existence of a metaphysical hiher power, God.

Ask any scientist what are the scientific odds that there exists in the infinite universe a life form more advanced and more intelligent than humans, and that scientist will admit the odds are that there is.

That's God.

Unproven, yes. Guesswork, yes, but based on much better grounds than a religious text ever could provide.

It is much less far fetched than some bloke creating the universe.

Bloke like you you mean. God isnt a bloke, the bible states clearly he is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. Matter/anti matter has been around longer than ye have

[Mr A]

Ask any scientist what are the scientific odds that there exists in the infinite universe a life form more advanced and more intelligent than humans, and that scientist will admit the odds are that there is.

That's God.

i believe someone called unwin put the probablity of god exsisting at 67% or something like that

i have heard a few people claim the probability of an afterlife (life continuing in some way after death) to be 99.9998% or something close to that. but life after death and belief in god are two seperate things. there could be life after death without a god, i suppose it's possible

who knows if any of this is right though, the calculations/how the calculted them

[Guest]

Ask any scientist what are the scientific odds that there exists in the infinite universe a life form more advanced and more intelligent than humans, and that scientist will admit the odds are that there is.

That's God.

i believe someone called unwin put the probablity of god exsisting at 67% or something like that

i have heard a few people claim the probability of an afterlife (life continuing in some way after death) to be 99.9998% or something close to that. but life after death and belief in god are two seperate things. there could be life after death without a god, i suppose it's possible

who knows if any of this is right though, the calculations/how the calculted them

there are parallel universes, how does anyone know where we go when we die. We may wake up the same person in another dimension, taking up where we left off.

[Guest]

In the early 1980s, any scientist who believed there might be other planets in the universe would have been mocked akin to someone who believes in the tooth fairy.

In the last 20 years, however, scientists have identified hundreds of planets.

The conceptual obstacle was that science presupposed a planet must circle its sun in an equidistant fashion, which turned out to be false.

[Mr A]

In the early 1980s, any scientist who believed there might be other planets in the universe would have been mocked akin to someone who believes in the tooth fairy.

In the last 20 years, however, scientists have identified hundreds of planets.

The conceptual obstacle was that science presupposed a planet must circle its sun in an equidistant fashion, which turned out to be false.

1980's are sure about that?
maybe you mean 1880's?

i know we went to the moon quite a bit before the 1980's ..i know the moon isn't classed as a planet but they i am sure would have been aware there were other planets at that time

[Guest]

In the early 1980s, any scientist who believed there might be other planets in the universe would have been mocked akin to someone who believes in the tooth fairy.

In the last 20 years, however, scientists have identified hundreds of planets.

The conceptual obstacle was that science presupposed a planet must circle its sun in an equidistant fashion, which turned out to be false.

1980's are sure about that?
maybe you mean 1880's?

i know we went to the moon quite a bit before the 1980's ..i know the moon isn't classed as a planet but they i am sure would have been aware there were other planets at that time

No, I mean 1980s.

The first actual planet was discovered less than 20 years ago by two Swiss scientists.

The second planet was discovered a couple years later by two University of California, Berkeley, scientists.

Identification of planets is very difficult and must be done indirectly, by following the movement of suns, because planets emit no light.

[Guest]

That was me above.

The first planet outside our solar system was discovered in 1995: http://www.sps.ch/en/archiv/progresses/discovery_of_the_first_exoplanet/

The second planet was discovered a few years later: http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2002/06/13_planet.html

[Mr A]

In the early 1980s, any scientist who believed there might be other planets in the universe would have been mocked akin to someone who believes in the tooth fairy.

In the last 20 years, however, scientists have identified hundreds of planets.

The conceptual obstacle was that science presupposed a planet must circle its sun in an equidistant fashion, which turned out to be false.

1980's are sure about that?
maybe you mean 1880's?

i know we went to the moon quite a bit before the 1980's ..i know the moon isn't classed as a planet but they i am sure would have been aware there were other planets at that time

No, I mean 1980s.

The first actual planet was discovered less than 20 years ago by two Swiss scientists.

The second planet was discovered a couple years later by two University of California, Berkeley, scientists.

Identification of planets is very difficult and must be done indirectly, by following the movement of suns, because planets emit no light.

just checked on google and you appear to be right.
it seems that some suspected there were other planets around ..but none were actually discovered until the 1980's.

hmmm knowing what scientists are like i guess i shouldn't place too much weight of them trying to predict god/afterlife ...in 50 years or so they'll probably turn round and say: well actually our results were wrong because.....

[Guest]

I was actually wrong.

The first planet outside our solar system was discovered in 1995.

See the links in my previous post.

[Mr A]

I was actually wrong.

The first planet outside our solar system was discovered in 1995.

See the links in my previous post.

<I>A milestone was set in astronomy in 1995 with the discovery of 51 Peg b, the first planet known to orbit another star than our Sun.</I>


they're not talking about planets like mars, venus, mercury that orbit out sun.. they are talking about the discovery of planets orbiting a star other than our sun

[Guest]

That's what I meant.

I should have been clearer.

My point was that the discovery of planets outside our solar system makes it much more likely that a planet similar to Earth, with life as we know it, exists somewhere in the universe.

[Guest]

That's what I meant.

I should have been clearer.

My point was that the discovery of planets outside our solar system makes it much more likely that a planet similar to Earth, with life as we know it, exists somewhere in the universe.

do you mean mars?

[azraelle]

been thinking maybe i was a little hasty to think that religion was made up by people trying to control others... and have been considering more if there really is a god ...but if there is a god then who created him? isn't he mean't to be the ultimate creater

if there is a god how did he come into exsistance?

Guess I'll throw this out to the guest that thinks he knows every false thing about my religion, e.g. Mormon--

The Mormon belief in eternal progression can be summed up in this little couplet:

As man is now, God once was.
As God is now, man may become.