Who would Jesus kill?

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Those couple of cherry-picked quotes were before what Hitler had in mind became known and before the Final Solution was known

No... If you'd bother to research it rather than just guess about it, you'd have discovered the comment was made in 1943 in response to Hitler's attack on Russia.

There are no specifics or details of the circumstances of the quote in the article you posted.

Had the author bothered to provide those specifics and details, perhaps the article would have a semblance of being something other than an anti-Christian libel.

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There are no specifics or details of the circumstances of the quote in the article you posted.

so you spoke in complete ignorance when you said "Those couple of cherry-picked quotes were before what Hitler had in mind became known and before the Final Solution was known".

The only date mentioned in connection with any of the quotes was 1939.

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"later" than 1939...

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We share in the grief of humanity [at the death of Pius XII]…. When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the pope was raised for the victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out on the great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace.

~ Golda Meir

No keener rebuke has come to Nazism than from Pope Pius XI and his successor, Pope Pius XII.

~ Rabbi Louis Finkelstein, chancellor, Jewish Theological Seminary of America

In the most difficult hours of which we Jews of Romania have passed through, the generous assistance of the Holy See…was decisive and salutary. It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the warmth and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the supreme pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of deported Jews…. The Jews of Romania will never forget these facts of historic importance.

~ Rabbi Alexander Safran, chief rabbi of Romania

The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion, which form the very foundation of true civilization, are doing for our unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history, which is living proof of Divine Providence in this world.

~ Rabbi Isaac Herzog, chief rabbi of Israel

I told [Pope Pius XII] that my first duty was to thank him, and through him the Catholic Church, on behalf of the Jewish public for all they had done in the various countries to rescue Jews…. We are deeply grateful to the Catholic Church.

~ Moshe Sharett (who later became Israel’s first foreign minister and second prime minister)

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what point are you attempting to make?

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No keener rebuke has come to Nazism than from Pope Pius XI and his successor, Pope Pius XII.

~ Rabbi Louis Finkelstein, chancellor, Jewish Theological Seminary of America

it looks like this just isn't true, does it not?

Quite the contrary.

Jewish scholars, rabbis and leaders are not lying.

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what point are you attempting to make?

Let me offer a clue: that your accusations are false.

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Rubbish. Google the quotation about "high-minded gallantry in defense of the foundations of Christian culture ..." over 9000 hits will come up. it's a well known quotation. have they all got it wrong because you found about six quotes from rabbis claiming the contrary?

That is what you are reduced to: rubbish.

Are you contending that the Jewish scholars, rabbis and leaders quoted above are lying or that they are ignorant?

Does the one quote on which you base your accusations refute the Jewish scholars, rabbis and leaders quoted above who refer not only to the Pope's words but also to actions?

Have you considered the possibility -- or, more accurately, the certainty --that the one quote you rely upon is not representative of the Pope and the Catholic Church vis-a-vis Nazism?

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Rubbish. Google the quotation about "high-minded gallantry in defense of the foundations of Christian culture ..." over 9000 hits will come up. it's a well known quotation. have they all got it wrong because you found about six quotes from rabbis claiming the contrary?

Golda Meir and Moshe Sharett were not rabbis.

And yes, the quotes I posted above put the lie to your accusations.

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