why can't men wear skirts ?

[Usquanigo]

Mr alf. You seem to lack historical knowledge. Even in the late 19th centrury it was not uncommen to see men in skirt like garments, especialy in the countryside. In addition, boots were also male attire adopted by women. Heels were in first instance of importanmce on order to block the feet of horseriders to slip. In the 17th century the hight of the heel was a statement of importance. A general would be wearing shoes with red heels!

Furthermore mr Als, the way you react is like a little girl. Maybe it wouuld be better if yoou would go back to school.

Your agenda has ruined your attempt to position yourself as educated and sophisticated. (well, that and mis-spelling century lol)

Horse-riding military men (kings included) wore heels to stay in the stirrup, yes, but what you left out is that they were MEN'S BOOTS. It's not simply a matter of "heels". Look at cowboy boots, combat boots, tank boots, biker boots, even dress shoes - all of them have heels. All of them also look like MEN'S shoes too.

Wearing HIGH heels, and specifically, WOMEN'S shoes with heels is NOT the same thing, no matter how badly you want it to be, or try to spin it.

Women started wearing heels because for a time, that's just how all shoes were made (with comparably small heels - it's also the most comfortable position for the human foot to rest in), but in time, they grew larger and more feminine because they compliment the female physique. When a woman is up on her toes, her calves tighten up, her butt is lifted and jutted out, while her chest is thrust forward. It also displays the elegant top of their feet. There may even be something to the fact that it's not easy to run or fight in high heels as well.

NONE of those things are beneficial to a man. We need SMALL heels like we have in our boots and dress shoes already. Even sneakers have them. The only place it's lacking is in sandals, some do, many don't. So you can really drop this whole aspect of your crusade, all men are already in heels.

[Mac]

Sock it to these freaks
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DOUGHBALL

FACT

Are women freaks for wearing men's clothes (trousers, tank tops, etc)? We have full freedom of choice. Why shouldn't you men have the same freedom?

[Guest]

it was great wearing my pencil skirt today, no one batted an eyelid. I wore it with clear tights. I don't think people are laughing @ me with their mates, so I don't know where you get that from ...

I'm just being me, I was wearing a shirt and tie, so I hardly look like a woman. I might get a cheap men's jacket to match the skirt (which was grey). My office are happy with me, and a lot of clients ask 'what's with the skirt' and I said 'it's my choice'.

I always point them to www.skirtcafe.org first of all, and tell them to look at the photo's.

I am a man and I love wearing skirts. It's an alternative to trousers, and there's nothing stopping us.... I wear them as well as trousers I don't know why most men haven't discovered this yet.

There's no thrill, it just feels right and looks good. I don't have issues if you are about to ask.

it's time we just buy the skirts ourselves and the fashion world will have to take notice of us. Ignore this t*** Alf with his spamming. This is a serious valid comment.

Alf is a TROLL, FACT

[Guest]

You live in your own little world that not even you understand.

[Guest]

You live in your own little world that not even you understand.

What a shame.

You're a bit too dodgy for my tastes.

[KiltyCol]

Alf,

You have probably been brought up in a very strict Victorian family with very narrow minded views forced upon you. What sort of society puts it's energy into restricting men to wear a narrow choice of uncomfortable clothing and totally ignoring gun and knife crime, plus suicide bombing.

Whoops, sorry, I sound racist with the comment on suicide bombing - we should accept that they are just a few middle east kids having a bit of fun with explosives, as we get tormented for wearing comfortable clothes.

[Nova casa]

Please note that during the flower power period (late 1960's, early 1970's ) heels were unisex, e.g Abba. But back to the history, even egytioan priest used to wear heels. But this a topic other than initiated some time ago concerning the question whether or not a man could wear a skirt. Seemingly you do not have any other thoughts thereon.

[Guest]

yes, we can wear skirts. but we'd look stupid. i'll stick to jeans.

this seems to be a battle ground of men versus crossdressers from this Skirt-Cafe site. I don't know who this KiltyCol person is, let alone Bushwalker, but they seem to enjoy flaming people in their responses.
I don't think that's right.

who knows, perhaps skirts will catch on one day, but I can't see the mainstream wearing them. sorry, ladies.

[KiltyCol]

SkirtCafe members are not crossdressers. They want to get skirts recognised as legitimate men's garments, in the same way that trousers are now recognised as legitimate ladies garments. SkirtCafe discourages Crossdressers.
Crossdressers are trying to mimic the opposite sex, rather than widen the choice of legitimate fashion that they can wear. We are men looking for comfortable clothing and have no intention of trying to be women.

If I wanted to crossdress, I would wear blue jeans rather than a skirt.

[Kilty Col's Tailor]

He's a liar- he once invited me to the Worcestershire Cross Dressers Ball.

[KiltyCol]

He's a liar- he once invited me to the Worcestershire Cross Dressers Ball.

Get out, I never knew you "Tailor".

[Guest]

I'm not so sure. All the subjects in SkirtCafe looked a little on the gay side to me, such as a personal stories section, and advice on fashion, with the warning "This is NOT crossdressing". I couldn't help noticing it WAS.

It seems all these guys like to photograph themselves in these skirts, but I doubt any of them wear them out on the street. I've yet to see any of these guys in London. When skirts for men becomes more mainstream, then who knows . I see denim skirts working for men, except we'll have to find a better way of sitting and not showing off our panties .

I'd love KiltyCol to come down to London and show us how its done. He's all keen to advocate it, but that's as far as it's gone (aside from him inviting Alf Huckam to a crossdressers ball a few weeks ago.).

KiltyCol, you'll have to tell us where your pix are. Do you have flickr?

[KiltyCol]

My impression of the SkirtCafe members is that they are all sincere and decent people, trying to end discriminatory restriction of men's clothing.

I have never been that interested in photography and have never posted any photos of me on the internet.

I am only interested in correcting unfair dress code discrimination against men.

With a kilt, the inner apron falls between the legs when you sit, so you can sit with your legs apart and still be respectable. Skirts can be designed to enable modest sitting too.

We are winning with neckties, by the way. The days when men all had to wear a suit and tie to the office are slowly coming to an end. Hooray!

[Usquanigo]

My impression of the SkirtCafe members is that they are all sincere and decent people, trying to end discriminatory restriction of men's clothing.

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We are winning with neckties, by the way. The days when men all had to wear a suit and tie to the office are slowly coming to an end. Hooray!

In theory, this is all well and good, but.... are you seriously that all fired up about it? You honestly don't have anything better to do or more important to worry about?

Why "skirts" anyway? Break it down a bit. What is a "skirt" really doing on a woman? It's revealing a bit of leg. It also allows them to be a bit cooler.

Wouldn't shorts be a more reasonable place to start? Sure guys can wear shorts, but on Top Gear, they imply that England is VERY hostile to guys in shorts for some reason. Here in the states, most guys in shorts look horrible because they are overly casual and clearly don't give a crap. So why not fight for more acceptance of men's shorts, and making them seen as less casual than they currently are? Logically, you'd have a better chance at actually making a change.

I do agree with your comment about the office though - in principle. I mean, let's not forget that women have to wear suits, and often "pant suits" because they have to conform to the dress code. But that aside, what has bugged me for a long time is sandals. Women can wear sandals on the beach, at the mall, around the house, in the office, even to formal occasions. Not only that, they have a range of options to choose from to suit those varied locations.

We don't.

We can get dress sandals, and in some cases, you can sneak them into the office on a casual day, but it's still pushing the envelope. And while I pride myself in making sandals and short sin the summer look GOOD (not lazy overly-casual, in other words, like I want to be seen and checked out, not like I'm ready for yard work), it's still not office attire, nor formal-wear. And to be honest, even I think true formal wear like tuxes are pushing it too far, even suits might be over the top (for sandals). But polos and khakis (aka, buisness casual) whould DEFINITELY allow it.

We need more style levels and choices, we need more of a dress shoe angle to our sandals, down to the (men's!!!) heels - with nice cushion, arch support, quality materials and construction, and showing various amounts of skin. We have some, we need more. And we need them to be more accepted.

Again, that's far more likely to happen than skirts. Sorry. You're arguing with the wind here. Might as well hop on a more reasonable bandwagon.

[Guest]

I'd love to be able to wear shorts to work! That'll be cool! There's some wicked ones in Next at the moment (www.next.co.uk) which every guy should get.

I know KiltyCol will head straight to the girl's section and get the shortest denim micro-mini he can but I'm suggesting the men's summer collection

I really think skirts for men won't work just yet. If kilts were not so expensive, it might stand a chance. But why spend £200 on a kilt when you can get several pairs of designer jeans for that price? At the moment, any guy stupid enough to wear a skirt in public (despite muffled laughter from passers-by) is kidding themselves. I've yet to see any of this middle-aged collective from SkirtCafe out on the street. KiltyCol may talk about this as something quite normal but perhaps he should be making kilts more common wear for men, and that's his stepping-stone.

Bear in mind how guys sit, Colin.

I am disappointed there's no photos of KiltyCol for us to see...