why can't men wear skirts ?

[davidhawkes]

What annoys me most is people who do not explain WHY it is wrong.

I can tell you that some men choose to wear skirts because they are cooler, more comfortable, not restrictive for your genitals, are a different style to pants.

So why is it wrong? No one in the western world has answered this yet.

[Alf Huckham]

What annoys me most is people who do not explain WHY it is wrong.

I can tell you that some men choose to wear skirts because they are cooler, more comfortable, not restrictive for your genitals, are a different style to pants.

So why is it wrong? No one in the western world has answered this yet.

Cos u will look a daft t***.

ok?

plus no men wear them IN PUBLIC

FACT

[KiltyCol]

What annoys me most is people who do not explain WHY it is wrong.

I can tell you that some men choose to wear skirts because they are cooler, more comfortable, not restrictive for your genitals, are a different style to pants.

So why is it wrong? No one in the western world has answered this yet.

I agree. There is no technical reason. How it looks is just a matter of personal preference, in the same way as "what colours to decorate your house" We have great variety from people's varied styles of clothing.

[Usquanigo]

What annoys me most is people who do not explain WHY it is wrong.

I can tell you that some men choose to wear skirts because they are cooler, more comfortable, not restrictive for your genitals, are a different style to pants.

So why is it wrong? No one in the western world has answered this yet.

What annoys me is people who don't read and then say something stupid showing that they didn't read.

Alf is right, but that's not really the issue. It's WHY he's right. Women don't want a girlfriend with a penis, nor do they want a gay guy, they want a MAN, that acts, looks, and all around IS the part.

Whether you like it or not, clothes are a label that we apply to ourselves. It says a LOT about you, no matter what you wear, and if you have a strong desire to dress like a woman, then you clearly have some level of desire to actually BE a woman. That's NOT a turnon to women.

They DO like men in kilts. But they want Braveheart, not a near drag queen.

This thread is it's own problem too. If you like non-bifurcated lower garments, get yourself a kilt, and a woman who digs the look and call it a day. But to come on here and troll for acceptance to rationalize your fruity desires reveals that you are indeed trying to feel better about cross-dressing, AND that you know it, you just don't want to admit it to yourself.

Don't give me any bullshit about variety or cost. A kilt gets the job done, period. And for that matter, shorts do a damn fine job if you really want variety all that badly. (multitude of styles, lengths, materials and colors) Ya gotta pay to play. It's like someone wanting a fast car and crying about the price - buy it or don't. Wear a kilt or don't. But do NOT expect society to see you as anything other than freaks if you try to parade around in women's clothes, or even claim it's ok to do so.

[KiltyCol]

Usquanigo. Although I don't agree, what you say should equally be used (or not) as an argument for only allowing Women to wear Skirts. When I was a child, women who wore trousers were considered a bit odd or Butch, but it didn't stop the trend growing.

[Usquanigo]

Usquanigo. Although I don't agree, what you say should equally be used (or not) as an argument for only allowing Women to wear Skirts. When I was a child, women who wore trousers were considered a bit odd or Butch, but it didn't stop the trend growing.

Col, you should know by now that the rules, if they even apply, are different for women.

Women can wear their boyfriends shirts, and other clothes, and it's either totally inconsequential, or in some cases, even seen as "hot", or at least a sign of attachment (to said b/f). That does NOT apply to, or work for, men. They simply can't go wearing their girlfriends stuff out in public, or generally in private, without being ostricized. Often by the woman who owned the clothing as well.

Furthermore, pants are more practical. They took off thanks to Rosie the Riveter. Someone needed to build those planes and tanks and jeeps, and since all the men were in Europe or the P acific (with a handful in the med), it was the women who had to do it. And having to take large steps on structures up high, or straddle things (like a wing spar) while working is NOT compatible with skirts of any length or variety.

After the war many did not want to give it up, afterall, it was a feeling of empowerment, and GENDER equality on a political and social scale. It had nothing to do with fashin "equality" (which is a BS term only invented by soft, lazy people who have life too good and have nothing more important to worry about).

The same (well, similar) can be said about motorcycles and sports cars. They (spors cars) were brought back after the war, and their popularity grew. Motorcycles meanwhile, gave people who rode them, not only a chance to continue to ride them (like sports cars), but the necessarily more care free and dangerous nature of them (you can't pack much, and don't require much to store or care for them, and you are open, exposed, and in a much more dangerous situation than a car) lead to ex-servicemen, already a rough and ready bunch, bored with civilian life, to focus on riding and freedom, comraderie and looking to allieviate boredome. Enter the motorcycle gangs.

Thanks to Hollywood, bikers will never lose their stigma (of all the worst attributes of Hells' Angels). Thanks to Muscle Cars, sports cars never took off here. And thanks to a demand for women's pants, they got their OWN style, cut and made just for their unique needs, and thanks in no small part to the metaphor of pants equalling power and the feminist movement, they are now no longer a gender specific piece of clothing (save for particular styling), just like sneakers, t-shirts, jackets (of all lengths), necklaces, bracelets, watches, rings, and flip-flops.

In modern society, even outside of the metaphor of what pants represent, and the feminist influence, pants are just more practical. Yes, I know that a kilt gives more room for the boys, and yes it gives far more flexibility and for unarmed (or at least nothing more than bladed) combat, or just puttering around, in ancient times, they are superior to everything. But when you want armor, or have modesty, or just plain don't want the boys flapping around exposed, you need pants - Knights, equestrians, soldiers, race car drivers, pilots, the list goes on.

I doubt we will ever see the perfect storm of societal requirements and pressures that lead to pants being unisex, doing the same for "skrits".

You just need to understand and accept that. Remember, most every girl I've ever talked to finds the idea of a man in a KILT to be yummy - IF he's young and has the ability to pull it off (and isn't creepy in personality). They all think of Braveheart and the like. And some celebs are trying to push it too (just not that hard). Do it right (meaning with a KILT, and finding a girl who actually likes that sort of thing), and you're golden, you can have your cake and eat it too.

Why need to come on here and promote, or wine for/about cross dressing? Why beat horses that never even lived, like the one about women and pants?

Words have meaning and as such, do have power, whether we like it or not. "Skirt" is a woman's article of clothing, "kilt" is a man's. Just like women's jeans, sneakers, t-shirts, and jewelry, these too have to be made for each gender, and in this case, that includes the wording. Push for "skirts" and you're peeing into a gale force wind. But push for KILTS, and doing things in a fashionable, non-creepy, and appropriate manner (meaning not replacing pants, or taking on any aspect of femininity), and you MIGHT have a chance.

[davidhawkes]

Usquanigo. Although I don't agree, what you say should equally be used (or not) as an argument for only allowing Women to wear Skirts. When I was a child, women who wore trousers were considered a bit odd or Butch, but it didn't stop the trend growing.

Col, you should know by now that the rules, if they even apply, are different for women.

Women can wear their boyfriends shirts, and other clothes, and it's either totally inconsequential, or in some cases, even seen as "hot", or at least a sign of attachment (to said b/f). That does NOT apply to, or work for, men. They simply can't go wearing their girlfriends stuff out in public, or generally in private, without being ostricized. Often by the woman who owned the clothing as well.

I doubt we will ever see the perfect storm of societal requirements and pressures that lead to pants being unisex, doing the same for "skrits".

Why need to come on here and promote, or wine for/about cross dressing?

Words have meaning and as such, do have power, whether we like it or not. "Skirt" is a woman's article of clothing, "kilt" is a man's.

Everyone in the world has equal status. Some might be more important than others, but as far as human value is concerned, men are equal to women.

You can not have one rule for women and a seperate one for men. Stating that the rules as you put it is different for women is actually a sexist attitude.

If women can wear boyfriends shirts, then men can wear girlfriends shirts. Any other view, and I will ask of an explanation (I still await for a sensible reply).

Societys pressures regarding skirts compared with pants are only in place because people such as yourself are so close-minded. If you do not want to wear a skirt, then fine, but do not slam into others for wanting to do so.

A crossdresser is someone who immitates the opposite sex. A crossdresser is likely to have fake breasts/hips, wear a wig, wear makeup, wear a complete set of female clothing. A man wearing a skirt is not trying to pretend to be a woman, so can not really be classed as a crossdresser.
I myself am not prejudiced against crossdressers - if they want their appearance to be like that, then it is fine with me.

Both skirts and kilts are not gender-specific (a kilt is a type of skirt by the way). When you go to a mall or high street, why do you not see signs stating that the clothes are only for women? Normally there is the store name, with no mention stating that men are not allowed to buy and wear that stores clothing.

[Usquanigo]

You're an idiot, you wouldn't know a sensible reply if it slapped you upside the head - as you're just CONCLUSIVELY proved.

You live in an utter fantasy world that has NO bearing on reality, and so you come here and whine about how society doesn't accept your cross-dressing tendencies. And no, it does not always mean going all out, that's dressing in drag, aka a drag queen.

The fact is, you're so out of touch and so obtuse that you will forever be crying about how mean everyone is, putting on a false air of superiority, and ultimately dooming your whole quest. So, keep it up. We'll sit here and slap you around as much as we need to.

If you don't want that, go back and re-read the longer responses and learn a little about reality. It would do wonders for you.

[KiltyCol]

I enjoy wearing Kilts out and about and Sarongs in the house. I usually wear long trousers for work, but occasionally a kilt to work and shorts for things like washing the car and gardening. I certainly don't want to cross dress and don't see unbifurcated garments as cross dressing for a man. I don't wear jewellery of any sort, not even rings and have never liked even a wrist watch. Women are very encouraging and my wife is very happy with my kilt wearing. She wanted to buy me another kilt for my 60th birthday, without me asking.
I imagine that a lot of the men who wear skirts are probably older men who have "arrived". A long happy marriage and well respected in their job. The people who don't have to be very boringly ordinary and conformist to be accepted. The people who have proved themselves and can get away with being different.

[JermaineE]

Usquanigo (I hope I've said that right! ), KiltyCol is an envoy of www.skirtcafe.org, an American website that advocates men in Women's Clothes (or as they call it 'Fashion Freedom').Similar to www.rokvoormannen.nl , these guys claim to have 'skirt meets' and aim to recruit younger members into ther fold. They aim for acceptance, but most of these members have been divorced as a result of their actions.

It's true, women don't like men in skirts, because the world sees skirts as a feminine item of clothing. They want men to be menm, and if they relate to men wearing trousers, kilts, shorts then KiltyCol bustin' a denim skirt and saying 'but denim's a man's material' isn't going to cut it.

Bushwalker, somone else from SkirtCafe (known as DavidSkirts there) was also sent to 'advocate' their fashion sense. He got shown up when his pic appered here, and suddenly went very quiet

There are lots of p!sstakers here who will say it is normal and goad KiltyCol and friends by saying "I've got a denim skirt" or "I might go and buy a denim skirt" and have them eating out of their hands. This in turn, induces AlfHuckam and round and round we go.

Yeah, IMHO KiltyCol should stick to his own...

[Mac]

Other Clothing Issues

(1) Should men with breasts size "A" or larger be able to wear bras?

(2) Should men with breasts size "A" or larger be required to cover their
breasts when in public? (swimming, sports activities, and other
public places - like women)

[JermaineE]

Mac, I'm sure KiltyCol and his skirt-pals can answer that one...

I think he's at a 'skirt-meet' this weekend, hence no reply...

[Alf Huckham]

Do they go to DOGGING Sites?

[Alf Huckham]

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[Guest]

I imagine so, Alf. When you've tired of getting excited by looking at yourself in the mirror dressed in girl's clothes or posting pictures on Flickr, a bit of dogging passes the time... There's www.doggingcafe.org, a SkirtCafe sister site, for all your dogging needs...