Up With God!

[franfran]

Question to all religious dudes: have you ever prayed for someone? For instance, if a family member got cancer or a friend was very ill in hospital.

If so, why did you do it? Does God not already know that a person needs help? Does God not already know what action he is going to take (or not take)? Does praying change gods mind? If people can change gods mind for him, he's not really all powerful, now is he?

In my opinion, people pray to make themselves feel better. It's not doing anything for the dude with the problem. It’s merely for the peace of mind of the prayer.

If one wishes to invest their energy into helping someone, it would be more productive to do something to physically help rather than praying.

Prayer is not a grocery list of wants or something you do to to change God’s mind. It is more a way of connecting with God. Prayer is communion with God and is a way of experiencing a relationship with God. Prayer is talking with God and prayer is listening to God. Prayer is being in the presence of God.

There is more than one type of prayer.
There is the prayer of praise - where we praise God when and tell him how wonderful he is. Many of the Psalms are prayers of praise.
There is the prayer of thanksgiving - quite simply a way of saying thank you to God for what He does for us.
There is the prayer of confession, - saying we are sorry for what we have done.
There is the prayer of supplication, or asking for help.
There is the intercessory prayer, where we ask God to care for another person or part of His creation.

We pray because we love God.

[cosmicB]

You pray because you hope your imaginary god loves you.. because no one else does...
Your "god" is essentially your imaginary friend...

[franfran]

You pray because you hope your imaginary god loves you.. because no one else does...
Your "god" is essentially your imaginary friend...

And I suppose your dragons are real?

[cosmicB]

The one that walked up on the bed, cracked and split nearly every piece of wood in the bed-frame... It totally destroyed my bed...

The one that I was playing with on a beach at midnight, passers-by commented on seeing it...

The 300-foot green and red one that I was playing with on a downtown street in Vancouver, eight approaching people commented on it...

The ones I play with in the forest, make huge claws and footprints in the dirt...

How real is that..?

If people wouldn't freak, I would have three of them following behind me on the street...


Has your god ever made a footprint..?

[Tufts]

Question to all religious dudes: have you ever prayed for someone? For instance, if a family member got cancer or a friend was very ill in hospital.

If so, why did you do it? Does God not already know that a person needs help? Does God not already know what action he is going to take (or not take)? Does praying change gods mind? If people can change gods mind for him, he's not really all powerful, now is he?

In my opinion, people pray to make themselves feel better. It's not doing anything for the dude with the problem. It’s merely for the peace of mind of the prayer.

If one wishes to invest their energy into helping someone, it would be more productive to do something to physically help rather than praying.

Prayer is not a grocery list of wants or something you do to to change God’s mind. It is more a way of connecting with God. Prayer is communion with God and is a way of experiencing a relationship with God. Prayer is talking with God and prayer is listening to God. Prayer is being in the presence of God.

There is more than one type of prayer.
There is the prayer of praise - where we praise God when and tell him how wonderful he is. Many of the Psalms are prayers of praise.
There is the prayer of thanksgiving - quite simply a way of saying thank you to God for what He does for us.
There is the prayer of confession, - saying we are sorry for what we have done.
There is the prayer of supplication, or asking for help.
There is the intercessory prayer, where we ask God to care for another person or part of His creation.

We pray because we love God.

I don't think you understood my question. I asked why a lot of religious people pray for other people. For instance, when someone gets cancer. Do you have any comment on that specifically.

[franfran]

Question to all religious dudes: have you ever prayed for someone? For instance, if a family member got cancer or a friend was very ill in hospital.

If so, why did you do it? Does God not already know that a person needs help? Does God not already know what action he is going to take (or not take)? Does praying change gods mind? If people can change gods mind for him, he's not really all powerful, now is he?

In my opinion, people pray to make themselves feel better. It's not doing anything for the dude with the problem. It’s merely for the peace of mind of the prayer.

If one wishes to invest their energy into helping someone, it would be more productive to do something to physically help rather than praying.

Prayer is not a grocery list of wants or something you do to to change God’s mind. It is more a way of connecting with God. Prayer is communion with God and is a way of experiencing a relationship with God. Prayer is talking with God and prayer is listening to God. Prayer is being in the presence of God.

There is more than one type of prayer.
There is the prayer of praise - where we praise God when and tell him how wonderful he is. Many of the Psalms are prayers of praise.
There is the prayer of thanksgiving - quite simply a way of saying thank you to God for what He does for us.
There is the prayer of confession, - saying we are sorry for what we have done.
There is the prayer of supplication, or asking for help.
There is the intercessory prayer, where we ask God to care for another person or part of His creation.

We pray because we love God.

I don't think you understood my question. I asked why a lot of religious people pray for other people. For instance, when someone gets cancer. Do you have any comment on that specifically.

If I didn't understand your question it was because you didn't ask it properly. If you want anyone replying to one of your posts to address a specific issue you have raised, you need to make it clear that is what your post relates to. When I reread your post, I find that it contains several questions, none of which appear to be more important than the others. You did refer, inter alia, to praying for others and, as this now appears to be the point of your post, I'll make a few comments on that.

One person praying for or on behalf of another person is referred to as intercessory prayer. In the Catholic and Orthodox Churches it can also refer to prayers made to members of the Communion of Saints in Heaven, to intercede in their prayers to God on their behalf of others. You say that "it would be more productive to do something to physically help rather than praying" and it may well be useful to physically help and help should be offered if possible, but often these prayers are offered to God when someone is seriously ill and there is little if anything that the other person can physically do to help. Someone seriously ill from cancer, for example would have not only the benefit of care from family and from medical professionals, but would also have friends and acquaintances praying for their well-being. There is also the question of distance to consider - someone in one country can easily pray for someone in another country, but there would be obvious problems in offering physical help in such an instance. Then there are situations where one might pray for citizens of a country that is caught up in a war or some other form of conflict, or there might be prayers for someone recently deceased - neither of which are situations where physical help could be offered.

You are entitled to your opinion that "people pray to make themselves feel better" that "it's not doing anything for the dude with the problem" and that "it’s merely for the peace of mind of the prayer". There are no doubt some individuals who do pray for self-gratification and public appearances only, but these opinions would not be shared by the majority of people who are offering prayers nor would I expect that they would be shared by most of those on whose behalf the prayers are offered.

Incidentally, certain groups of Muslims, mainly Orthodox Sunni and Shia Muslims, also practice intercessory prayer.

[Tufts]

Question to all religious dudes: have you ever prayed for someone? For instance, if a family member got cancer or a friend was very ill in hospital.

If so, why did you do it? Does God not already know that a person needs help? Does God not already know what action he is going to take (or not take)? Does praying change gods mind? If people can change gods mind for him, he's not really all powerful, now is he?

In my opinion, people pray to make themselves feel better. It's not doing anything for the dude with the problem. It’s merely for the peace of mind of the prayer.

If one wishes to invest their energy into helping someone, it would be more productive to do something to physically help rather than praying.

Prayer is not a grocery list of wants or something you do to to change God’s mind. It is more a way of connecting with God. Prayer is communion with God and is a way of experiencing a relationship with God. Prayer is talking with God and prayer is listening to God. Prayer is being in the presence of God.

There is more than one type of prayer.
There is the prayer of praise - where we praise God when and tell him how wonderful he is. Many of the Psalms are prayers of praise.
There is the prayer of thanksgiving - quite simply a way of saying thank you to God for what He does for us.
There is the prayer of confession, - saying we are sorry for what we have done.
There is the prayer of supplication, or asking for help.
There is the intercessory prayer, where we ask God to care for another person or part of His creation.

We pray because we love God.

I don't think you understood my question. I asked why a lot of religious people pray for other people. For instance, when someone gets cancer. Do you have any comment on that specifically.

If I didn't understand your question it was because you didn't ask it properly. If you want anyone replying to one of your posts to address a specific issue you have raised, you need to make it clear that is what your post relates to. When I reread your post, I find that it contains several questions, none of which appear to be more important than the others. You did refer, inter alia, to praying for others and, as this now appears to be the point of your post, I'll make a few comments on that.

One person praying for or on behalf of another person is referred to as intercessory prayer. In the Catholic and Orthodox Churches it can also refer to prayers made to members of the Communion of Saints in Heaven, to intercede in their prayers to God on their behalf of others. You say that "it would be more productive to do something to physically help rather than praying" and it may well be useful to physically help and help should be offered if possible, but often these prayers are offered to God when someone is seriously ill and there is little if anything that the other person can physically do to help. Someone seriously ill from cancer, for example would have not only the benefit of care from family and from medical professionals, but would also have friends and acquaintances praying for their well-being. There is also the question of distance to consider - someone in one country can easily pray for someone in another country, but there would be obvious problems in offering physical help in such an instance. Then there are situations where one might pray for citizens of a country that is caught up in a war or some other form of conflict, or there might be prayers for someone recently deceased - neither of which are situations where physical help could be offered.

You are entitled to your opinion that "people pray to make themselves feel better" that "it's not doing anything for the dude with the problem" and that "it’s merely for the peace of mind of the prayer". There are no doubt some individuals who do pray for self-gratification and public appearances only, but these opinions would not be shared by the majority of people who are offering prayers nor would I expect that they would be shared by most of those on whose behalf the prayers are offered.

Incidentally, certain groups of Muslims, mainly Orthodox Sunni and Shia Muslims, also practice intercessory prayer.

Thank you for replying.

What does praying actually do for the person in need? (i.e. the person you are praying for)

[mogadishu]

:!: I'll teach warrior-class females only!.. Human females respect wisdom and life.. !

Could you teach me? Not that I'm 'warrior class'... but willing to learn?

If you aren't human, how do you define yourself?

[cosmicB]

I can't classify myself... I have everything human, but every thing in the rest of me is evolving at an almost frightening rate... I never know what I'll be tomorrow... I wake every morning into with more extreme abilities... I classify myself as "a good-human", and a "traveler", and "a sorcerer"... Plus the fact that merlin's placed his ruby on my chest, and it sunk into into my chest for some reason..? It probably makes me something merlin wanted me to be, or he wouldn't have set that ruby on my chest... I don't know what it is..? maybe I'm merlin..? maybe merlin took over my body..? I don't know... I just know that everyday I'm changed, and much stronger than yesterday... I've quit testing it.. it's way too dangerous to toy with now, whatever it is..? It's a fun ride... Too bad you all don't have love in you, so I could teach you this neat stuff... I think it's for everybody... It seems it's life as great as it gets... But here, you murder and steal, and cheat, and lie.. Everything about you is money money money... Teaching you crazies this stuff would only make you into invincible criminals... We can't have that!.. Especially not americans!..

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The Only way I'll teach a warrior female, is in the middle of a close honest embrace, in which I senses that she has fully submitted to being open to the universe.. at which time it takes me only a few seconds for me to reach into the cosmos for her sword, while I am maintaining a cosmic beam from my solar-plex through her's.. after I have taken her on a quick little trip to Mars and back... I never know where, nor how I'm gonna find a young lady's sword, nor what it will look like... The last one, I reached into the cosmos for the young warrior's sword, just expecting it would be there.. and was suddenly surprised by five scantily clad young warriors hurriedly delivering a cutie little sword, holding it in a non-threatening manner, or I would have sliced them all in half in the next half a second... When I saw the sword, and started reaching for my sword, they all had fearful looks on their faces, and paused away from me.. till I motioned to approach... The one carrying the sword passively quickly handed it to me the moment I reached for it...
I studied the little sword a quick moment, then handed it to the waiting little warrior's spirit-self, and got another surprise.. She took it like she knew it was her's, and started toying with it right off, waving it in a little circle like a kid waving a fireworks sparkler... I do so love watching young warriors "hatch"...
A year later she was taking music awards... The sword makes them into instant successes in anything they do... The sword thing takes about a minute, and gives the young lady all I know and all I am.. but they don't know what to do with it, so it all leaks-out over time, if they can't access it, but at least they have an exciting life-ride... They all-ways forget who gave them the boost...

If you are male, I cannot teach you, nor give you your sword.. You would only use it for crime and evil, in democracy and religion's wars.. It's how you're built... I will not teach another male ever again!.. It takes a lot of responsibility wielding this much power sleeping on the end of a silent thought and sword tip... Great Power is best left asleep... All it's really for is to just to destroy everything, or it's left asleep... America's firecracker-military isn't even a trillion-trillionth of what's connected to this little cosmic sword... I am breaking a major cosmic law by giving young warriors their swords, but what the hell.. It's mine to do with as I choose.. and there's nothing in the cosmos that wants to challenge my fun... They don't want to taste swordie... I lose my temper way too fast out there, and they knows it... Seems I'm changing existing laws just to suit my fun, just like humes do on earth...

I loves watching young warriors "hatch"... I wouldn't mind fuking them too, but that's illegal on this planet... I can only partially imagine what her next, or existing, BF is gonna get next time he embraces her... He gets a full blown warrior-goddess in the sac... DyaM! I wish I could make myself 17 again, with what I know...
I could take over another's body like Crowley did, but that would be evil, and it's not worth lingering on this shithole-planet any longer than one has to.. there's nothing here for me anymore.. never was.. just pussy, and the sounds of woman's free flow laughter....

I might teach males, only after I see that humanity has ceased All its violence.. which probably means never...
You critters lose all the good there can be just because you are as bad as bad can be.. Humans kill humans, only in hell...
It's like, in cosby's spoof about, the cow in the big-hole with a thousand other cows...
One cow asks the other cow.. "What are we doing in this big-hole in the ground?"...
"We've got hoof and mouth" ...
"What's hoof and mouth?"...
"See that foam on your mouth.. That's hoof and mouth.. They're gonna shoot us, and bury us in the dirt"...
"How do I get out of it?"
"Wipe the foam off your mouth"...

How do you get all the good life has to offer you?
Stop being bad...

I'm 61.. I don't have much time left here.. and I could stop my heart any second if I chose to, and leave you in your hell, to try to figure it out yourselves... There's no way you can... Your crazy species had best wake up to some honest reality real soon, or you all lose it all big-time...
I'm not gonna teach bad people how be powerful... That would be like trying to shove my poop back up where it came from...

The moment I senses I am losing this data, is the moment I stop my heart and die and fly, like Mr. Peter Sellers did the moment "his body started falling apart"... He and I have the same birth-date, and style.. we are like two peas in a pod...
I don't know how much longer I can maintain all this new science.. which means I don't know how long I have to live here in your lovely hell... The only thing that keeps me lingering here, is tight-pussy... Sorry.. but that's just how it is...

I've posted everything you need to know on the Internet, in various forums and blogs.. That's all I'm gonna publish on it.. the rest was burned on my last birthday, in my relative's garden... All you need to do is search it out, and decipher it with your strong warrior mind, or remain in hell, and die in hell...

Besides.. You are most likely that crazy occult guy, who hates me with a passion... Umm.. "mithros the manipulative dick-head", comin' at me for another shot at learnin' what he hasn't a clue about, after banning me from his goofy little socialite forums.. because he doesn't have the slightest clue what love is... He thinks love is, how much of his needs he can manipulate out of people.. he's just a baby-tyrant...
Without love you lose everything... And the neat thing about love, is that no one can fake it... You remind me of a little of him... I can't teach you... I'm only trying to stop humanity from wrecking the planet... That's my priority-one... I gave only little hints of what else there is in life for you, if you love life, in an attempt to wake some of you to a little reality, so you would see that you really are destroying the planet, and strive to stop, but I did nothing... Nothing has changed.. Everything only got worse, by that bush guy... I wasted my whole life trying to wake the zombies in hell... I did nothing...

What would go really nice right now, would be a nice cold glass of true German pilsner, and good rock'em sock'em little warrior's BJ...

_______________


If you want me to teach you anything little.. You teach me something I don't know... I have questions too...


What are those little four-inch floating balls of yellow-light, following forest creatures around..?

Why did the dragon turn into balls of ionized energy, bouncing off my apartment's walls, after It cut its throat with my sword after it wrecked my bed..?

How did the young lady see the big hand that caught her in the air, and rest her arms on it, after she was thrown from her motorcycle, when I couldn't see the hand..? Why couldn't I see the hand, when it was of me..?

Why did the northern lights change to deep-reds when I asked it to..?

Are there undamaged single women in the world..?

How is it that some people can see my dragons and energies..?

Why do my deep trances erase my PC's hd's..?

How do I make a bootable CD for Windows 2000..?

How do I get MPlayer to play music..?

What are next Saturday's 649 winning lotto numbers..?

How can I free-style dance in public without feeling like I am everyone's chin-dropping freak-show..?

How do you get some life here in your earth-hell without lots of money..?

Where do I find people who have removed their ceilings and restrictions to the cosmos..?

Where do I find people who understand the cosmos enough to chat freely and knowledgeably about the physics of the cosmos, and about the physics and ramifications of immortality.."

What's beyond 44-delta..? Has anyone ever taken that route, and lived..?

Is there an 8th memory river..?

Are there more than three mountain ranges in front-brain..?

What are the twin-ended flames in a tree's aura..?

What's the 15th science..?

Is there a place on earth that is conducive to ultra deep trance research..?

Is there a place on earth that isn't infested with crazies..?

Is there a place on earth that doesn't have any christinsanity..?

Are there any honest people in humanity..?

Who was the first good-sorcerer..?

How do I prevent from losing my temper, when things have gone beyond peace..?

What is the full extent of the ramifications and power of merlin's ruby..?

Did merlin have only one ruby..?

How many universes are there..?

What were the red light-needles in the beam that repaired my severed spinal-cord..?
Why didn't I burn-up when I lit-up like a search-light when that beam hit me..?

How could Bagwan make little alive vampires in those wooden medallions..?
Where does all that blood go that his medallion-vampires steal..?
Is that vampire pipeline still functional..?

What does the grim-reaper eat..?

What's the chemical composition of that gosh-awful vile stench the grim-reaper makes..?
How did its claw make my brain freeze..?
Why didn't my severed/rejoined spine re-separate from falling five times, after I got it rejoined..?
Why did the slight touch of a twig to the damaged spine-area knock me instantly unconscious..?
Does the grim-reaper's claw work like the Bigfoot's freeze-point..?
Are the Bigfoot and the grim-reaper related..?

How many offspring has America created with the baby Bigfoot they abducted..?
Has anyone else, alive today, been paralyzed by a Bigfoot creature..?
How did they break the freeze..?

Has anyone else had a wild grizzly bear kiss their ass..?

Does anyone go out into the forest, and caress purring cougars..?

Is there an honest non-christian publisher who has an open mind..?

Is there a non-religious bit of prime-land on the planet..?

Is anyone else working on liquid electricity, to escape this vile planet..?

[Fred75]

You pray because you hope your imaginary god loves you.. because no one else does...

What a revealing sentence that is!
You really are sad.

[cosmicB]

Actually it is only the Sad who pray.. No one prays when they're happy, fool... LOL!...

[Tufts]

Actually it is only the Sad who pray.. No one prays when they're happy, fool... LOL!...

Don't they thank god for it or something?

Strange how when something bad happens it's the devil's work, but when something good happens its god's work.

Whatever happened to free will?

[mogadishu]

Besides.. You are most likely that crazy occult guy, who hates me with a passion... Umm.. "mithros the manipulative dick-head", comin' at me for ..?

[cosmicB]

Bridge over troubled water is one of my favorites.. I have it on 45's, 33's, CD, WMA, and MP3's...

This world should be being cared-for by its fauna who are capable of caring for this planet...
We are fully capable, but we just don't care about the life on it.. we care only for ourselves, only for tantalizing our senses, what little we have of them, of the few we exploit and treasure.. which boils down to our tongues, finger tips, skin, crotches, ears, noses, and eyes... As far as we seem to be concerned, everything else doesn't matter in the slightest...

Get it! that I care as much for the human race, and for teaching good sorcery ("god's magic") to people, as the human race cares about the planet and its fauna... And that's how it's gonna be for all eternity... The moment humanity shows me it's worthy of everything-else is the moment it gets everything-else, not a second before... I've got Everything else... I wish you had everything else too.. but I can't be giving extremely dangerous stuff to mindless brat-children... You must change, for me to give you what I found... If I gave this stuff to you, with your attitudes as they are, you would kill everything on the planet very very fast.. and you would infest the afterlife with absolute Evil...
Essentially I found an ancient path into the afterlife.. into immortality... No big thing... It was there for anyone to touch and take... I just happened to believe in myself, and searched and searched till I found it...

In my search, lots of nasty things, earthly and cosmic, tried to stop me, and tried hard to kill me to prevent me from finding what I was getting close to... I fought it all the way... A tremendous War was being waged by me against all the evil forces.. and all of you weren't even aware that it was gong on... And I won... Evil lost...
Any one of the things I went through could have easily killed the average person on the spot... I got beat-up, cut-up, smashed-down, bit, poisoned, cheated, shot-at, pulled-down, burned, tossed against hard things, froze, paralyzed, flamed, insulted, molested, assaulted, ridiculed, bombed, slandered, kicked-around, crushed, hard-remoted, pissed-on, shitt-on, hit with rocks and sticks, drowned, threatened, robbed, imprisoned, terrorized, tortured, left for dead, and Attacked from every direction/every way, in ways you can't even begin to imagine... I fought it all, and beat it all, and I took the prize... And now I'm supposed to give you 6-bil hateful apes my prize, whilst kissing your stinky fat bums and smelly feet.. for little pats on the head, whilst you all spit in my face, and treat me like you treat shitt... Not in this life hun!... Pray to your imaginary gods for it... LOL!...

"Bridge over troubled waters" is a good tune.. but only a tenth as good as "The Smoke That Thunders"...

I'm not trying to hurt you feelings, dear mogudish... I am merely saying it like I sees and feels it...
Please accept my apologies if my published literature hurts your feelings... I am merely trying to wake the zombies...

[Fred75]

In my search, lots of nasty things, earthly and cosmic, tried to stop me, and tried hard to kill me to prevent me from finding what I was getting close to... I fought it all the way... A tremendous War was being waged by me against all the evil forces.. and all of you weren't even aware that it was gong on... And I won... Evil lost...
Any one of the things I went through could have easily killed the average person on the spot... I got beat-up, cut-up, smashed-down, bit, poisoned, cheated, shot-at, pulled-down, burned, tossed against hard things, froze, paralyzed, flamed, insulted, molested, assaulted, ridiculed, bombed, slandered, kicked-around, crushed, hard-remoted, pissed-on, shitt-on, hit with rocks and sticks, drowned, threatened, robbed, imprisoned, terrorized, tortured, left for dead, and Attacked from every direction/every way, in ways you can't even begin to imagine... I fought it all, and beat it all, and I took the prize... And now I'm supposed to give you 6-bil hateful apes my prize, whilst kissing your stinky fat bums and smelly feet.. for little pats on the head, whilst you all spit in my face, and treat me like you treat shitt... Not in this life hun!... Pray to your imaginary gods for it... LOL!...

I guess we all know now why mind altering drugs are illegal!