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Postby Polgara69 on Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:54 pm

Im pretty sure he wont! Lol. Over to you Colonel!
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Postby Khalin on Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:59 am

. wrote:I am a guy, and I love my foreskin, and couldn't imagine my penis any other way. It's people like you that make me feel ashamed for having foreskin, and feel like I should have it cut off just to make you happy.

Do you think they actually care about how you feel on this subject? The majority of American women don't really care or give much thought to this issue, especially because America has a very out-dated view that isn't very modern or scientifically broadened at all. This is done without consent to the male, and these women generally do not care for a male's opinion on the matter at all [which is ludicrous, considering that it's our bodies, not theirs]. My advice is to just try to ignore people like Emily B that can't even spell "circumcised" or "Balanitis" correctly. The fact that they're throwing conditions such as Balanitis without realizing how it takes a very unclean and careless person with bad hygiene to develop it, shows either how limited their knowledge about this subject is, or how ignorant they are and how far they are willing to go to try and convince themselves as well as others of their opinion. The fact is that neither I nor any of my numerous uncircumcised male friends in the US have ever developed or encountered any of these issues shows how they are easily avoided with simple hygiene and common sense [a concept which a few women like Emily B seem to have difficulty grasping]. I think their opinion is based on the assumption that males never wash, clean, or exercise any hygienic routine in any way, to which end this could be a problem. However, we are no longer living in the 1400's. Welcome to 2008.

. wrote:I want you to read a couple things. You bitches don't care about the well being of the penis, you just care about how it looks when you have sex.

Actually this isn't entirely true. There are many younger women in America that seem to enjoy the look and feel of an uncircumcised penis [by younger women, I mean women I've talked to around my age or older, which is generally 21-28]. Also consider that many UK women whom I've spoken to seem to think that circumcised penises look rather odd and bizarre [a few of them used the words "almost silly looking"], and seem to be less pleased with them in bed. I can't speak for all UK women of course, but I have talked to many of them about this, as I'm very passionate about this subject.

Personally, if I had to lose my foreskin, I'd be pretty depressed because it's just part of who I am. It also feels much better, and there's just so much more fun you can have with it all around, aside from the fact that it makes masturbation and penetration much more pleasurable. And I honestly don't look forward to losing 65% of the sensitivity on the glans, as well as my glans hardening like a shell as I grow old. American women generally do not think of, or care about this however.

Emily B wrote:Lets hope he will be having them circumcized.

You should probably spell circumcised correctly before you use it. Anyways, let's hope that he doesn't have them circumcised. Everyone should know [except most people from the US] that circumcising males is nearly out-dated and should only be performed under the most medically necessary circumstances. I'm just going to re-post what I posted in an earlier topic:

Khalin wrote:I think people need to stop blaming the spread of disease on uncircumcised penises, and accept that the true cause of this is irresponsible sex [with the exception of a few "special" instances] and general reckless behavior, which can't be solved by circumcising a male. Circumcised penises are definitely not immune to such risks, which should indicate that cause of this problem is something else. I believe that this is just something which shows that you need to be responsible with your partners and who you choose to make love with, along with using adequate protection. Granted that I'm only 21 years old right now, I still feel that I'm a good example of someone that executes these precautions, and I am very happy to report that neither I nor any uncircumcised male friend of mine have fallen victim to any STD.


Aside from that, everyone should also be aware that the US has the highest circumcision rate in the world, as we simultaneously have the highest rate of HIV infection in the world [excluding Africa, which is highly under-educated and underdeveloped]. HIV is spreading the US at an alarming rate, which certainly goes to show that circumcision isn't going to get the job done. You can also look at information on Sweden, which has virtually no circumcision at all, and has perhaps the lowest rate of HIV infection in the category of western-culture countries.

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Rates of infection

Postby Emily B on Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:25 am

Khalin wrote:Sweden, which has virtually no circumcision at all, and has perhaps the lowest rate of HIV infection in the category of western-culture countries.


Now we need a basic course on statistics! A low rate of HIV infection has nothing to do with the rate of circumcision. It's related to the number of uncircumcised men having Anal sex with other men. If uncircumcised Swedes don't engage in a lot of unprotected Anal sex, they'll have a lower rate of HIV infection. Where men are mostly uncircumcised, and they're into unprotected Anal sex with other men (as in sub-Sahara Africa) and amongst African Americans, the rate of HIV infection will be astronomical.

However, none of this has anything to do with women's preferences re: trimmed and untrimmed peckers. Women, in survey after survey, prefer the trimmed knob, for both health and beauty reasons. The surveys here on FF confirm this.

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Re: Rates of infection

Postby Khalin on Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:11 am

Emily B wrote:If uncircumcised Swedes don't engage in a lot of unprotected Anal sex, they'll have a lower rate of HIV infection.

I believe you just proved my original point. It's not about being circumcised or uncircumcised. It's about being responsible with sex and protecting yourself and others from STD-transmitting by using protection and not being reckless with choosing your partners. I also notice that you didn't seem to touch the issue of the US having the highest rate and prevalence of HIV infection in the western-culture country category, despite the fact that most males here are circumcised. This is because safe sex is still not practiced as widely as people believe it to be. Yet again, circumcision will not solve your problems.

Emily B wrote:Women, in survey after survey, prefer the trimmed knob, for both health and beauty reasons. The surveys here on FF confirm this.

Only women in American prefer circumcised men, because it's what they're used to seeing. Uncircumcised penises in the US are somewhat uncommon, and therefore might seem odd compared to what's considered "normal". However, it's pretty common knowledge that most women [as well as gay males] in the UK prefer uncircumcised penises for beauty reasons, as well as improved sexual reasons. You can check the penis topic in the Better Sex forums [the penises that people seem to be drooling over on there are all uncircumcised], or you can study a survey that's done in anywhere besides America. Your personal bias can't speak for the entire female gender as you're trying to make it to, no matter how badly you wish every female agreed with you.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080807014651AAsHzSO

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080421074409AAOODDD

Just a couple things I found on Google. Finding anything that doesn't include the opinion of American women is difficult to find. There is a survey that was done to show the preference of European women vs the preferences of American women, which I will re-find and post soon enough. Please check back often so you can see it.

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Postby lilian~ on Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:25 am

my hubby is uncut and i have to say that i just LOVE his foreskin so much, hes got the prettiest penis ive ever seen in my life. khalin, yours looks nice too hun but yer just too young fer me. on the other hand, the first 5 guys ive ever been with were all cut, yet when i saw my first uncut boy i was excited with what i saw. i think i want to say it gives more options, but my hubbys is still better. and its just all just because hes my hubby! but really, every woman has preference. yeah american ladies might like the cut ones better because its what theyre used to seein. nothin wrong with that though, emilys entitled to her own preferences. a lot of my lady friends ive met _ that live in the UK seem to like uncut a lot more though, which shows that you tend to like what youre used to more (except in my case!)

anyways dont hammer emily b fer her preference

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Re: Rates of infection

Postby Polgara69 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:34 am

Khalin wrote:
Emily B wrote:If uncircumcised Swedes don't engage in a lot of unprotected Anal sex, they'll have a lower rate of HIV infection.

I believe you just proved my original point. It's not about being circumcised or uncircumcised. It's about being responsible with sex and protecting yourself and others from STD-transmitting by using protection and not being reckless with choosing your partners. I also notice that you didn't seem to touch the issue of the US having the highest rate and prevalence of HIV infection in the western-culture country category, despite the fact that most males here are circumcised. This is because safe sex is still not practiced as widely as people believe it to be. Yet again, circumcision will not solve your problems.

Emily B wrote:Women, in survey after survey, prefer the trimmed knob, for both health and beauty reasons. The surveys here on FF confirm this.

Only women in American prefer circumcised men, because it's what they're used to seeing. Uncircumcised penises in the US are somewhat uncommon, and therefore might seem odd compared to what's considered "normal". However, it's pretty common knowledge that most women [as well as gay males] in the UK prefer uncircumcised penises for beauty reasons, as well as improved sexual reasons. You can check the penis topic in the Better Sex forums [the penises that people seem to be drooling over on there are all uncircumcised], or you can study a survey that's done in anywhere besides America. Your personal bias can't speak for the entire female gender as you're trying to make it to, no matter how badly you wish every female agreed with you.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080807014651AAsHzSO

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080421074409AAOODDD

Just a couple things I found on Google. Finding anything that doesn't include the opinion of American women is difficult to find. There is a survey that was done to show the preference of European women vs the preferences of American women, which I will re-find and post soon enough. Please check back often so you can see it.


It seems like you are also doing the same. not all women in England prefer uncircumcised. Yes, they are not as prevalent as in the US but it doesnt mean we dont come into contact with them and prefer them. I prefer cut now and while it wouldnt influence me on my choice of partner I do prefer it and would choose cut over uncut any day.
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Postby Polgara69 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:36 am

lilian~ wrote:my hubby is uncut and i have to say that i just LOVE his foreskin so much, hes got the prettiest penis ive ever seen in my life. khalin, yours looks nice too hun but yer just too young fer me. on the other hand, the first 5 guys ive ever been with were all cut, yet when i saw my first uncut boy i was excited with what i saw. i think i want to say it gives more options, but my hubbys is still better. and its just all just because hes my hubby! but really, every woman has preference. yeah american ladies might like the cut ones better because its what theyre used to seein. nothin wrong with that though, emilys entitled to her own preferences. a lot of my lady friends ive met _ that live in the UK seem to like uncut a lot more though, which shows that you tend to like what youre used to more (except in my case!)

anyways dont hammer emily b fer her preference


Im sorry but that just made me laugh out loud! I know I prefer cut to uncut but its not cos they are 'pretty'! In fact, I think most people would agree that the penis is a bit weird looking and dont get me started on the balls! Ugliest things ever!
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Postby Khalin on Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:49 am

First off, I don't think you need to be double posting. It's possible to incorporate all of your posts into a single one. Let's not be like Fred75 with the forums.

Polgara69 wrote:It seems like you are also doing the same. not all women in England prefer uncircumcised.

No, I'm not doing the same. If you read the section of my post that you quoted and underlined more carefully, you'll notice that I said "most", not "all". Just the same that "most" women in America prefer them circumcised, but not "all" do.

Polgara69 wrote:Im sorry but that just made me laugh out loud! I know I prefer cut to uncut but its not cos they are 'pretty'! In fact, I think most people would agree that the penis is a bit weird looking and dont get me started on the balls! Ugliest things ever!

Okay, this isn't junior high school, so I don't think this should be a "hilarious" matter. Also, I'm not sure I agree with this either. I know too many women that love both the look and feel of the male penis, and just spending about 10 minutes using the "Search" function on these forums linked to several different topics where women don't seem to be afraid to admit that they are seriously aroused by male genitalia, mostly in the "Better Sex" forum. It's actually almost shocking to see how many women drool over them in the picture topic.

Although you may not find male genitalia attractive, I don't think you should try to make other women feel bad for finding them attractive, circumcised ones or no [nor do I think you should you try to make us males feel bad or "ugly" for having them]. Although, you are still entitled to your own opinion in the end, so I won't say anything more on the subject.

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Postby Rosemary on Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:19 am

Khalin, you are new to these forums so i think you need to be warned about some members. especially since you are such a smart sensitive and nice young man. Anyways, dont try to talk any sense to miss emily b whatsoever. everyone on these forums know that shes a selfish old fart from the 10s that cant be reasoned with. i personally dont care about cut or uncut, and i also think that the colonel is a little crazy, but emily b is not someone you should bother talking with. shes almost as bad as that fred75 idiot. anyways, make friends with some of the nicer and more sensible women here, like snappy. good luck!

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Postby The Colonel on Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:56 pm

Rosemary wrote:Khalin, you are new to these forums so i think you need to be warned about some members. especially since you are such a smart sensitive and nice young man. Anyways, dont try to talk any sense to miss emily b whatsoever. everyone on these forums know that shes a selfish old fart from the 10s that cant be reasoned with. i personally dont care about cut or uncut, and i also think that the colonel is a little crazy, but emily b is not someone you should bother talking with. shes almost as bad as that fred75 idiot. anyways, make friends with some of the nicer and more sensible women here, like snappy. good luck!


Emily B is most probably a 19 year old female, who's a virgin, can't get laid, has had a history of mental problems and psychosis, and very likely a Redneck.
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Postby angela m on Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:30 pm

babe i gotta say that stereotype isnt fully true. i myself am an american female 25 years old, and i happen to LOVE the look of uncut willy. its very sexy and its so fun to play with! i love my man for it and im glad hes lucky enough to be intact. weve never had any problems as far as dirtiness goes, hes always been as clean as a whistle. i used to think the way emily b does until i actually met a guy whos uncut. now i hope i never go back lol. i actually think that men standing there with a cut dick having the head stick out with no foreskin look dumb. in fact it almost looks... silly. as for mattyr, i think what was done to him is sick and twisted, and i would hate my parents very much if i were a guy and they had that forced onto me.

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Postby Hotel_Whiskey on Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:18 pm

Rosemary wrote:Khalin, you are new to these forums so i think you need to be warned about some members. especially since you are such a smart sensitive and nice young man. Anyways, dont try to talk any sense to miss emily b whatsoever. everyone on these forums know that shes a selfish old fart from the 10s that cant be reasoned with. i personally dont care about cut or uncut, and i also think that the colonel is a little crazy, but emily b is not someone you should bother talking with. shes almost as bad as that fred75 idiot. anyways, make friends with some of the nicer and more sensible women here, like snappy. good luck!


Teehee *pokes Colonel* You're a little crazy :lol:
And thankyou Rosemary... you not new here I take it? Why not join?
I don't think Emily B guest and Emily B member are the same, just as a forewarning
(And funnily enough most of us actually like Fred, he can have a great sense of humour, yu just have to tune him out a lot )

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Postby The Colonel on Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:00 am

I am doubtful whether Emily B is actually a serious person or a troll.

Either way, she is one demented individual.
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Postby H. Franklin Layne on Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:09 am

I have kept out of this thread for the most part. The only thing I would really like to add, is that under most circumstances, you actually get to know the man somewhat BEFORE discovering if he is cut or uncut. So I think the man is more important than the presence or absence of a foreskin.

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Postby Khalin on Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:48 am

This is late, but I felt I had to respond to this.

Katherine wrote:Sorry Matty, I understand you liked your foreskin and washed it (and good for you) but your foreskin is still dirty even if washed and still leaves you open to disease. I’m sorry but your foreskin was in fact a piece of filth and the only place for it was in the bin. That is why so many get circumcised and I believe the reason your dad wanted you to be circumcised. As Emily B said, you will have a much healthier and happier life without your foreskin.

I don't think you know very much about foreskin at all, besides what happens when you neglect simple hygiene. Yes, it can cause serious problems if you aren't a very clean or hygienic person. However, I would like to welcome you to the 21st century, where we have developed things called "showers" and "sinks". Foreskin is not dirty when you wash it [that is why we call it "washing"], and does not open you to disease when you are clean. My penis has no odd smell, nor is there anything wrong with it whatsoever. I have never caught any STD, and I never will because of how clean I am, as well as how responsible I am as far as choosing my partners and how seriously I take sex. My penis is extremely smooth, clean, healthy-looking, and nearly everyone that has laid eyes on it has loved touching, licking, sucking, playing with it, and having it inserted inside them. I actually don't recall anyone that I've encountered that didn't like the foreskin on my penis. I'm in fact very appalled and outraged at how little regard you and Emily B seem to have for his feelings as far as his own body is concerned, and the fact that he was [in a sense] violated and mutilated. I for one am glad that my penis has the heightened level of sensitivity that it does [over circumcised males, who have approximately between 55%-65% of the nerve endings on the Glans die due to being circumcised], as well as how fun it is for me or someone else to play with [all of my partners have had a lot of fun with my foreskin during sex]. I'm also glad that the Glans on my penis will not be hardening as I get older [sometimes to the degree of a crusty shell], as it would for a man who was circumcised. It will always be healthy, clean, nice-smelling, and wonderful, just as it always has been for me, no matter how much you and Emily B try and tell me it won't be [as if you two are experts on hygiene as a man like you pretend to be]. The fact that you can talk about a man's body in this way just shows how you and females like Emily B have no regard or respect for men at all, and selfishly use your own personal and shallow preferences as an excuse to try and make a man feel bad for his own intact body [whether or not it's clean].

You know nothing about what a responsible, hygienic, and clean intact man is like, which I find sad. But what's more sad is how close-minded you and Emily B are to the thought of men such as myself being able to take care of themselves properly. It almost comes across as a message saying that being circumcised gives males an excuse to not take care of themselves or take their hygiene seriously, or have to be as careful with sex [this is a VERY bad message]. I'll be upfront and say that I do not like either of you at all. I think you're both selfish, convoluted, disrespectful, pathetic, and out-dated women stuck in the mindset of ancient America. Welcome to 2008.

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