WOMEN ONLY! --- What are your thoughts of circumcisi

[Reporter37]

In the UK there is a choice, especially for older children/adults.

Just because things are different in the UK dosn't mean that things are better. According to various people-who-know, the UK is the worst place in the world to be a child:

"Britain has the third-highest rate of teenage pregnancy in the industrialized world, according to the UNICEF report . . . British children have the earliest and highest consumption of cocaine of any young people in Europe, are ten times more likely to sniff solvents than are Greek children, and are six to seven times more likely to smoke pot than are Swedish children. Almost a third of British young people aged 11, 13, and 15 say they have been drunk at least twice."

So anything that a Brit says about infant circumcison should be taken with a grain of salt! Brits don't know dick about children, it appears.

[Reporter37]

In the UK there is a choice, especially for older children/adults.

Just because things are different in the UK dosn't mean that things are better. According to various people-who-know, the UK is the worst place in the world to be a child:

"Britain has the third-highest rate of teenage pregnancy in the industrialized world, according to the UNICEF report . . . British children have the earliest and highest consumption of cocaine of any young people in Europe, are ten times more likely to sniff solvents than are Greek children, and are six to seven times more likely to smoke pot than are Swedish children. Almost a third of British young people aged 11, 13, and 15 say they have been drunk at least twice."

So anything that a Brit says about infant circumcison should be taken with a grain of salt! Brits don't know dick about children, it appears.

[Guest]

emily b talking sh!t again

[siriusblackp]

In Indonesia they remove the filthy foreskin of the clitoris, which prevent urinary tract infections and cancer of the labia. Besides, the genitals of females stink without circumcision, and cheese builds up. Does it reduce sensation? Sure, just a little, but that gives women more staying power. And, men like it. There is no medical evidence that the safe and effective removal of the clitoral hood reduces sexual satisfaction. It's a parental choice: millions of parents couldn't be wrong. It's not mutilation. An uncircumcised clitoris looks like an animal's genitals. Ewwww! Here's a great web site to help you understand: http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/45528

[Khalin]

1) This has nothing to do with the topic at hand [male circumcisiom, not female]

2) Female circumcision is completely irrelevant to male circumcision

3) Very few females in the US and Europe [and any other developed, modern, western-culture country] get circumcision, and our men don't seem to have any problems with it at all. Considering that the US is behind the other countries in terms of social culture and development, this is quite a statement.

4) Women here don't have any problems keeping themselves clean through simple hygiene, so most of the issues you expressed with it are irrelevant. However, if hygiene is a problem for women in Indonesia, then that could be a different story.

5) Indonesia is not an example most Americans would wish to follow, considering it's socially and technologically underdeveloped, as well as having serious poverty issues.

6) This topic is already dead, as the majority of females seem to be expressing their general preference for the uncircumcised penis, not circumcised.

7) I'm sick of people posting as "Guest". Reporter37, Emily B, "Katherine" [assuming they aren't the same person], and now "siriusblackp" should probably register here since they post so often. I don't see any reasons why they shouldn't, and the same applies to you.

[The Colonel]

True. You don't seem to have been on lately Khalin?

[siriusblackp]

1) This has everything to do with the topic at hand.

2) Female circumcision of the clitoral hood is completely analagous to male circumcision.

3) Very few males in Europe [and any other developed, modern, western-culture country] get circumcision, and our women don't seem to have any problems with it at all. Considering that the US is behind the other countries in terms of social culture and development, this is quite a statement.

4) Men here don't have any problems keeping themselves clean through simple hygiene, so most of the issues you expressed with it are irrelevant. However, if hygiene is a problem for men in the U.S., then that could be a different story.

5) Indonesia is not an example most Americans would wish to follow, considering it's socially and technologically underdeveloped, as well as having serious poverty issues. Yet the U.S. does follow Indonesia with regards to the backward practice of forced neonatal circumcision.

6) This topic is already dead, as the majority of females seem to be expressing their general preference for the uncircumcised penis, not circumcised. Whew.

7) I'm sick of people posting as themselves and bragging about it, since we don't really know who they are. Just using a goofy name and a photograph of some person holding a cat does not make you credible.

[Khalin]

1) This has everything to do with the topic at hand.

The topic at hand is what women think of male circumcision. Explain how facts about female circumcision heavily influenced by the Islamic view have to do a woman's preference on male circumcision? This is not a religious argument, and you shouldn't be bringing it into the picture.

1)2) Female circumcision of the clitoral hood is completely analagous to male circumcision.

No, because there are too many different things involved, such as which nerves are affected and potential risks.

3) Very few males in Europe [and any other developed, modern, western-culture country] get circumcision, and our women don't seem to have any problems with it at all.

This is correct. Thankyou for enforcing my earlier argument.

4) Men here don't have any problems keeping themselves clean through simple hygiene, so most of the issues you expressed with it are irrelevant.

Yes, this is correct, as I've already explained numerous times in this topic. Thanks again for arguing my point for me.

However, if hygiene is a problem for men in the U.S., then that could be a different story.

Have you even read this topic? You're just repeating everything I've already stated. Hygiene makes almost all circumcision unnecessary. Yet again, thanks for arguing and proving my point for me.

5) Yet the U.S. does follow Indonesia with regards to the backward practice of forced neonatal circumcision.

That isn't from the influence of Indonesia however. Why don't you go on Wikipedia, or some other _ resource, and research the background of circumcision in the US.

6) This topic is already dead, as the majority of females seem to be expressing their general preference for the uncircumcised penis, not circumcised.

Thanks for repeating what I already said.

7) I'm sick of people posting as themselves and bragging about it, since we don't really know who they are. Just using a goofy name and a photograph of some person holding a cat does not make you credible.

If you don't like my cat, then that's tough for you. As for names, I like my name a lot better than siriusblackp. Regardless, I made the suggestion because it's annoying to see 60 posts from various "guests", when in reality it's very likely that many of them are in fact the same person. Eliminating guest-posting and requiring people to register eliminates this problem. And the same technique isn't applied as well with newly registered members, as it would look ridiculous [and laughable] if a bunch of new registered people suddenly posted in the topic with a post count of 1-5.

Circumcision rates have dropped significantly in the US, and it is becoming less common in the US as each year passes by [it's been dropping since the 70's, however since 2007 it's at an all-time low], because it's beginning to update with modern times. Female circumcision in the US is extremely rare to begin with, and is becoming more rare by the year. Good luck trying to convince Americans [or any modern, western-culture country for that matter] that females need to be circumcised.

[Emily B]

This is not a religious argument, and you shouldn't be bringing it into the picture.

Excuse me, youthful person, but circumcision is indeed a religious argument to many viewers! But female circumcison is neither a religious procedure, nor a muslim procedure. It's an African procedure, designed to remove the sex urge from women. Some practitioners may be African Muslims, but it's not a Muslim procedure. Therefore it's not likely a religious matter.

Male circumcision, on the other hand, IS a religious procedure. And like all religious prescriptions, it's intended to bring good health to the man/woman relationship. And that it does. Male circumcison brings health benefits to a life-long marriage of man & woman. That's why religious women (Jews, Muslims, and many Christians) endorse it. Regardless of what the Swedish socialist troglodytes think (and the gay youthful persons here), a clean healthy dick is a marital blessing well into old age.

However, if you're not religious, you probably don't give a rat's ass about sweet smelling dicks, nor good health.

[Khalin]

Excuse me, youthful person, but circumcision is indeed a religious argument to many viewers!

It is not entirely religious. Religion is but one argument that favours circumcision. Another is Medical/health reasons, and the third is just visual preference.

It's an African procedure, designed to remove the sex urge from women. Some practitioners may be African Muslims, but it's not a Muslim procedure. Therefore it's not likely a religious matter.

But the Islam religion influences it, or did you not read that article? Or have you read much on Islam's view on female circumcision? Have you read anything else in this topic besides what you post yourself? And no, posting as "Katherine" or Reporter37 and saying "I listened to them!" doesn't count.

Male circumcision, on the other hand, IS a religious procedure. And like all religious prescriptions, it's intended to bring good health to the man/woman relationship. And that it does.

Again, if this were the 1400's, where we didn't have sinks or showers, then yes, this would be a valid argument. I would like to welcome you to 2008. It features hygiene and anti-bacterial soaps.

Regardless of what the Swedish socialist troglodytes think (and the gay youthful persons here), a clean healthy dick is a marital blessing well into old age.

I couldn't agree with you more. A clean, healthy penis is very nice, which is why uncircumcised males like myself shower every day and do not receive any complaints from any partners.

However, if you're not religious, you probably don't give a rat's ass about sweet smelling dicks, nor good health.

This statement shows your incompetence and your ignorance. You don't have to be religious to have good hygiene and shower every day, along with brushing your teeth three times a day. You also don't need to be religious to eat properly, stay healthy and in-shape. You certainly don't need to be religious to have a "sweet smelling dick". That only involves a good wash once a day. Again, you prove that you don't actually listen to anything anyone else has to say. It has been explained to you time and time again, that hygiene is not an issue for males [or at least most of us. If you want your man circumcised because he has bad hygiene, then that's none of my business]. If someone didn't shower at least three times a week [even though you should be doing it daily], then they'd stink all over, in which case being circumcised or not won't make a difference. Everything that has been explained to you doesn't matter, because you don't have the intelligence to comprehend it all. Either that, or you are too stubborn to admit that you are wrong about some of the things you say in this topic. Either way, you're incapable of giving an unbiased argument, and you've only shown yourself to be a woman who doesn't understand much about a man's body, simply because she isn't a man. Again, I would like to welcome you to 2008, where being uncircumcised will never matter because we have lovely things called showers, sinks, and wonderful-smelling body wash and antibacterial soap. Do you even know what these things are or what they do, Emily B?

However, I would like to thank you for at least shifting the topic back on track to what its original intention wanted: women's preferences on a penis. For once, you actually did something right. However, it seems more females here prefer uncircumcised penises over circumcised.

emily b and katherine do not speak for the rest of us women.

Yes, I realize that.

Anyways, dont try to talk any sense to miss emily b whatsoever. everyone on these forums know that shes a selfish old fart from the 10s that cant be reasoned with.

I think I'm starting to understand why all of you keep warning me against talking to Emily B.

[The Colonel]

This is not a religious argument, and you shouldn't be bringing it into the picture.

Excuse me, youthful person, but circumcision is indeed a religious argument to many viewers! But female circumcison is neither a religious procedure, nor a muslim procedure. It's an African procedure, designed to remove the sex urge from women. Some practitioners may be African Muslims, but it's not a Muslim procedure. Therefore it's not likely a religious matter.

Male circumcision, on the other hand, IS a religious procedure. And like all religious prescriptions, it's intended to bring good health to the man/woman relationship. And that it does. Male circumcison brings health benefits to a life-long marriage of man & woman. That's why religious women (Jews, Muslims, and many Christians) endorse it. Regardless of what the Swedish socialist troglodytes think (and the gay youthful persons here), a clean healthy dick is a marital blessing well into old age.

However, if you're not religious, you probably don't give a rat's ass about sweet smelling dicks, nor good health.

It never ceases to amaze me that some people are just SO DUMB.

It's hard to know if she's a troll or serious. However, I think "Emily" is actually an "Edward".

[franfran]

This has everything to do with the topic at hand.

No, the garbage that you posted is totally irrelevant to the subject of this thread.

Yes, I'm aware there are already threads on the subject, but a few (frequent) posters have managed to ruin them. You know who you are. I want the subject to have a fresh start. I'm interested in knowing what women think of circumcised men. I myself am circumcised (having been born into a Jewish family), and am curious as to how women view the cut model. Prefer? Dislike? Reasoning either way, please.

I'm most interested in hearing the views of women from the UK, or at least not the U.S. - since the opinions most interesting are those of women in countries where circumcision is rarely practiced. (In my view)

General guidlines:
- Nothing about the bioethics of neonatal circumcision, though if any women are having (or have had) their son(s) circumcised, they should feel free to comment.
- No links to circumicision sites, either pro- or contra.
- No abdurdly long (statistic-packed) posts.
- No flaming.

Sorry for this dreadfully long preamble, but if you've seen the state of the other thread, you'll undestand.

Thanks for your co-operation.

[Polgara69]

Nice try Franfran but apprently us mere women are not allowed to have an opinion. What the hell do we know eh!! Jeesh women having opinions! Whatever next? A black president! Ha ha ha. (That was sarcasm btw) (And so was that)Lol.

[MORE STIMULATION!]

Just 1 circ'd guy & 1 non here.
*Much Better feeling, and `stimulation from the more noticeable
'shoulder to the head inside. Can `Feel it` much more than the un-cut guy.
Like how it looks better too. Wouldn't hesitate a second to have a son
'done' if that happens later in life, got school for another yr before that.
Am planning on having my hood trimmed a *lot tho since a class-mate says it:
"Was the Best Thing medically I've ever done!" Clitty is `right there`,
where it gets stimulated & `guys can find it`!

[The Colonel]

Just 1 circ'd guy & 1 non here.
*Much Better feeling, and `stimulation from the more noticeable
'shoulder to the head inside. Can `Feel it` much more than the un-cut guy.
Like how it looks better too. Wouldn't hesitate a second to have a son
'done' if that happens later in life, got school for another yr before that.
Am planning on having my hood trimmed a *lot tho since a class-mate says it:
"Was the Best Thing medically I've ever done!" Clitty is `right there`,
where it gets stimulated & `guys can find it`!

You're talking crap.