Would getting rid of the monarchy give Britain a gr

[mogadishu]

One article I read suggested that some commonwealth countries have experienced a rise in republicanism in light of the prince of wales 2nd marriage.

[mogadishu]

There are so many historical attractions that are assocaited with the Bristish monarchy.

Yes. That's because Britain has had a monarchy for a long time. But is, say, France's history less interesting for being Republcan?

[AussieAdam]

Not at all but the fact is that the monachy makes far more than it costs AND the royal family and Duchy of Cornwall pay a lot of tax...Plus any referendum in the UK would return a vote for keeping it

[cosmicB]

I"ll share what Ausie Adam PM'd to me...


[Quote:] From: AussieAdam
To: cosmicB
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:35 pm
Subject: MONARCHY Quote message
Just to say that you are so full of S*** - You know F*** all about the English Monrachy, the tradditions of the country - You say most people are gainst it ?? says who u moron ....have you canvased the Great British Public then?

You are the most stupid ignorant nposter I have come across on here not to mention patronising and condecending.

Most English people I have spoken to on here laugh at your comments because you think your opinion is the one the majority of people support. The truth is that you waffle - You do not make an argument for or against anything or support it with primary or secondary material.

Try having a look at the stats and facts you prat. Even Australia had a vote several years ago to decide wether to ditch the Qeen as head of state and it came down in favour of keeping her.

I have replied to you here rather than in forum because I already stated my views there and backed it up with facts

You try to make out that you are someone with intelligence but then you make a fool of yourself by the garbage you write in the forums.

You are a backward country - You were F****** burning and killing black people until the late 60s and you had deep rooted segeagation - Even now ion your deep south racism is rife and always will be because your country is the most devided socially backward country in the Western world.

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Umm?.. WoW!... The guy went totally psychotic at me... I didn't know people felt that way about this silly little Canada... I don't recall any history or News about us torching black peoples.. but there is a bit of history in which a townsfolk got so angry at a family of hoolagans, that they united, and stormed the "Black Donnalies farm, and burned them all, and the farm... But they weren't blacks.. they were white Black Donnalies... The town became totally fed-up with their perpetual stealing and violence... Is that the burned blacks you mean?..

I never ever burned a black person dude... Heck the closest to touching fire to a black was in lighting a bud's cigarette...
..although I have made love to a few of them black little darlin's.. with them their delicious large soft puffy lips.. They do so kiss like they musta come from "heaven" or better...
Just thinkin' on it, I can almost feels it again... "sigh"... But I never ever once lit one on-far...

[AussieAdam]

I do not really care tht you made my private response to you pubic. The fact is that the rubbish you spout about the British monarchy is wrapped around staements and facts you cannot support. Is a direct attack against an institution you know nothing about - By the posts you have made you prove that.

You have not even replied to the points I have raised about the economic benefits the monarchy bring to the UK.

As regards this paragraph lol it shows you up to be stupid and ignorant:

All monarchies, all but one classic Arabic one, seized their thrones by extreme violence and killing, slaughtering all those innocents who refused to accept the new kings and their vile self-gratifying insane policies... especially in prehistoric UK.. and it's still happening in the conflicts between England and Ireland, and there seems to be still a little bit happening between England and Scotland too... And all that crap that's happening in Arabia, England is mostly responsible for.. for having terrorized Arabic nations, and seizing them in the name of the British monarchy.. then ransacking all their treasures, and sucking up their resources.. then let me go on their merry way, crushed and ramshackled messes, trying to relocate their identities, and re-establish their disseminated tribes... then the Arab wars started up...

1. Tell me who this classic Arab monarchy is?

2. What is this ''little bit happening between England and Ireland oh and Scotland''? If you are talking about devolution then try to seperate that from the monarchy - Which is what the topic is about.

3. Its a BRITISH monarchy you idiot not an English one - But then of course you probabaly havent heard of James, Mary and the Stewarts

4. What conflict is there between England and Ireland at the moment Cosmic ? Not that it ever had any connection with the monarchy anyway.

5. As regards parasites - read again, do some research, check out what the British Monarchy costs as opposed to the income it creates for the public purse.

6. As regards the Arab countries then I would like to see some evidence that you can attatch some blame on the English monarchy for any problems there.

You cant seem to understand or grasp the difference between a monarchy and parliament? The Monarchy has no power as such - Yes laws need royal assent to be passed and become statutory but that is TRADDITION. The Queen could never refuse to pass such laws.

The Queen or King is the head of state its symbolic and is steeped in pagentry and history. Since Charles 1st had his head removed and SOVERIGN POWER WAS ABOLISHED the running of the country has been soley the responsibillity of Prliament which is an elected body by the people for the benefit of the people.

Cosmic do yourself a favour and before you comment on a subject then at least do some research to back up your arguemts instead of rambling on and on - You are just making a fool out of yourself

[cosmicB]

Why would I even want to dig into cosmic archives of monarchies, to determine what it is I don't like about the monarchy archetype concept thingawhoozzits whozabobber"..? Seems you want me to get poop on my hands..?

You don't see it... We had cave elders, way back when...

Then we have groups of tough guys...

Then we got groups of tough guys with female traits, who invent cops... opting for layback, as opposed to working to maintain peaceful levels... "Bundlers".. they bunch up a pile of emotions, and physicallize-it back at you... and you were only lucky they didn't know "witch's fireballs"...

Monarchy is a couple steps to "emperor"... I see no kings, no emperors, no honest men, no humans... I see parasites everywhere.. running the world into the ground as huge meal, like maggots squirming in an old carp's beached and torn corpse...

You show me a monarchy that hints and tastes of emperorism, and I will wash his feet, and dry them with my hair... but every direction I see you pointing in, I see no reality there... It's like your whole life is on a game-board... It's as if you are electronic... Is this "Hal"..? Only a robot could see monarchy being anything that belongs in a reality... Monarchy is based on money and treasure condensing, a leader of a vicious army, all licking his bum... then a bug suckles on the side of the bag... That ain't emperor!.. Any less than Love, is degrees of hell on earth... A monarchy would use what he has, to raise his people to the highest levels of everything... I sure don't see any of that level of honesty anywheres on this planet.. except in my chest, and in my dreams...


OK.. You tell me!.. What good is a monarchy, besides for being a "tourist-clown"...

[mogadishu]

Not at all but the fact is that the monachy makes far more than it costs AND the royal family and Duchy of Cornwall pay a lot of tax...Plus any referendum in the UK would return a vote for keeping it

I think you're right that Britain over all would prefer a monarchy. It's hard for me to assess your argument that the monarchy makes far more than it costs because i don't know what you're basing it on. Egs, the monarchy owns all the land in britain. "Home owners" actually hold the legal estate to homes they have nominally bought only. If they die intestate physical possession will revert to the crown. How can anyone quantify that?

Further, how do you assess what proportion of tourism is incurred by the monarchy as opposed to people wanting to see the historical sites of britain?

[mogadishu]

From: AussieAdam
To: cosmicB
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:35 pm
Subject: MONARCHY Quote message
Just to say that you are so full of S*** - You know F*** all about the English Monrachy, the tradditions of the country - You say most people are gainst it ?? says who u moron ....have you canvased the Great British Public then?

You are the most stupid ignorant nposter I have come across on here not to mention patronising and condecending.

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I guess Cosmic's inherited the role of the most stupid ignorant poster you've ever come across not to mention the most patronising and condescending from me, Adam. You pm'd me once upon a time to inform me of all these things.

[cosmicB]

"If they die intestate physical possession will revert to the Clown"...

Further, how do you assess what proportion of tourism is incurred by the monarchy as opposed to people wanting to see the historical sites of britain?
Equals.. "Come See Britain's Clowns"...

Monarchies are just a Media-Circus... If the Clown wasn't there, the only things that would change is the common people would have more of their hard earned earnings to spend on themselves.. and they would no longer be just "the common people"... Everyone in Britain would be referred to as "Royal Brits", because there would be no more useless Clown to contest it... The elitist clown would be gone, and its piles of gold, gems, and diamonds, some of which they robbed from Arabia, would be returned to their rightful owners...

Down with the King.. Down with the Clown...

[AussieAdam]

I think you need to revisit the thread title.

I am still waiting for the evidence to spport you facts Cosmic. I am still waiting to read something you write that goes anywhere near convincing me you have the slightest idea what the monarchy is about. You confuse monarchy with parliament. You really do not have a clue what you are talking about.

Mogs you confuse the Crown with the monarchy. Lets see if you can grasp it

Ok if you go to court for a criminal offence you are prosecuted by the Crown. That doesent mean that if you are fined the crown gets the money or the Queen gets another coat out of it.

If you die without issue or surving relatives then yes you die intestate so untimatley the land could end up with the crown but that does not mean the Queen gets it lol.

Property in the UK is either freehold or leasehold. With freehold you own the building and the land its on plus any land in the title, A lease holder pays the lessor a ground rent each year for the duration of the lease after which the lease may be renewed or revert to the lessor or landowner ( the freeholder ) I own my house and land lol not the crown.

Tell me what happens if an American or Canadian dies and there is no one to inherit their estate....who gets it then?

Tell me mogs and cosmic are the American government ever going to give back the land they stole from the native American Indians, pay them reparations for the gold they stole in 1848, the atrocities they commited?

Prince Andrew actually flew helicopters during he Falklands war - Cant really see any of the Senate grabbing a flak jacket and a rifle and flying out to Iraq can you lol.

If you want to know how much inome the Royal family generate as opposed to what it costs am sure you can find enough facts mogs - Trust me thoughits a widely acceptd fact they bring in more than they cost.

I think you both need to read a bit more British history before you comment more.

[cosmicB]

Monarchies are just cultured clowns, that draw in a few hundred thousand clown-seeking tourists, annually ..and you just love to go to circuses...

[mogadishu]

If you die without issue or surving relatives then yes you die intestate so untimatley the land could end up with the crown but that does not mean the Queen gets it lol.

If you die intestate the land will end up with the crown. I'm well aware that the crown is a corporation sole, thankyou.

In some instances, it may be possible for the royals to benefit personally from bona vacantia. In Cornwall, for example, b.v. is in favour of the Duchy of Cornwall.

Property in the UK is either freehold or leasehold. With freehold you own the building and the land its on plus any land in the title, A lease holder pays the lessor a ground rent each year for the duration of the lease after which the lease may be renewed or revert to the lessor or landowner ( the freeholder ) I own my house and land lol not the crown.

Technically you don't, as you'd be aware had you studied British land law. All freehold land in england and wales is owned by the crown.

Tell me what happens if an American or Canadian dies and there is no one to inherit their estate....who gets it then?

No idea... I've not studied property law in america. what does american land law have to do with the topic of the British Crown?

Tell me mogs and cosmic are the American government ever going to give back the land they stole from the native American Indians, pay them reparations for the gold they stole in 1848, the atrocities they commited?

I would imagine it's unlikely... but again, this has nothing to do with the topic we are actually discussing... does it?

If you want to know how much inome the Royal family generate as opposed to what it costs am sure you can find enough facts mogs - Trust me thoughits a widely acceptd fact they bring in more than they cost.

You're the one making the claim - you should really be the one to supply the facts to back it up.

I think you both need to read a bit more British history before you comment more.

In what way have I been shown to be deficient in my understanding of british history on this thread? I'd forgotten your habit of summarily insulting the intelligence of anyone who so much as queries your viewpoint Adam. But I'm getting used to it.

[Jenny86]

they are a symbol now nothing more. They have no constitutionla power they just represent britain and keep foreighn dignitaries sweet .
the queen is useful and she does a good job
those americans love the queen

haha, u sure about that?

nothing in politics gets passed WITHOUT the queens explicit approval. the royal family still run the nation as they did when they were in overt power. now they are representatives in politics to do it for them to give the illusion of democracy.

many ranking politicians have strong royal ties, genetically and other.

just take david cameron for example.


there is more going on behind closed doors than people think. much much more.

[Ady6970]

Jenny86 wrote:

"nothing in politics gets passed WITHOUT the queens explicit approval. the royal family still run the nation as they did when they were in overt power. now they are representatives in politics to do it for them to give the illusion of democracy.

many ranking politicians have strong royal ties, genetically and other.

just take david cameron for example. "

Apart from the small detail that David Cameron hasn't got any say in the running of the country, being the lead of Her Majesty's Opposition. No, the decision making power rests sadly with Bore Brown and his cronies.

So far as The Queen is concerned, She has no role in the decision making processes other than to exercise Her constitutional rights to be consulted, to advise, to warn and to encourage. She has to give the Royal Assent to new legislation whenever it arises but that is now considered a mere formality. It hasn't been wthheld to my knowledge since the days of Queen Victoria or even earlier. In fact in view of the fact that it hasn't been exercised for so long I think one could probably question whether or not it still existed.

[monosodium]

I like the way that posters who themselves live under a corrupt government have the audacity to suggest that the British monarchy is more corrupt than the systems of government in their own countries.

No system of government is perfect, but we've had a while to sort out the kinks in ours, so all in all it serves us better than the potential alternatives... Especially the one that made a president of the candidate who actually lost not so long ago.