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[Gibbous Moon]

There's probably a bigger ground swell of opinion in the UK (or England) for changing the national anthem than there is for a British motto.

GM

[myron myron]

There's probably a bigger ground swell of opinion in the UK (or England) for changing the national anthem than there is for a British motto.

GM

On what do you base that comment?

[The Colonel]

This tune must make the Colonel stand up and sing, all misty-eyed with patriotism:

God Save The Queen

God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen:
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us:
God save the Queen.

O Lord, our God, arise,
Scatter thine enemies,
And make them fall:
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On thee our hopes we fix:
God save us all.

Thy choicest gifts in store,
On her be pleased to pour;
Long may she reign:
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice
God save the Queen.

'god' to an atheist is the same as 'table' or 'chair' it means nothing religious.

The anthem should be changed to remove any reference to 'god'.

It's not appropriate anymore.

[cosmicB]

Belief in a god is like enjoying watching a wounded dog take a dump...

[myron myron]

This tune must make the Colonel stand up and sing, all misty-eyed with patriotism:

God Save The Queen

God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen:
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us:
God save the Queen.

O Lord, our God, arise,
Scatter thine enemies,
And make them fall:
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On thee our hopes we fix:
God save us all.

Thy choicest gifts in store,
On her be pleased to pour;
Long may she reign:
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice
God save the Queen.

'god' to an atheist is the same as 'table' or 'chair' it means nothing religious.

The anthem should be changed to remove any reference to 'god'.

It's not appropriate anymore.

So do you refuse to sing the British national anthem then?

[Ady6970]

Belief in a god is like enjoying watching a wounded dog take a dump...

cosmicB. Having made the somewhat bold assumption that you were a thoughtful, intelligent person, I have to say that I'm disappointed in you for making such a comment and lowering the tone of the debate. Everybody believes in something be at god in the conventional sense, fate, the universe, human nature or themselves.

[cosmicB]

Be disappointed as you need to... I don't give a dam...

I searched everywhere for you ridiculous "gods", and found none...

I worked my way up into the ability to enter this universe's core.. and worked my way into the nucleolus of this universe's core.. is when I discovered that a couple seconds in that core is fatal to us... It took about four seconds to access the nucleolus from its outer shell.. I spent four seconds in the nucleolus.. then the four second ride out.. with my body Off, as in clinically dead... I managed... I found no god there...

I sailed through all the ancient paths.. and found no god in any of it...
though I did bump into Bhuda... He played a silly little game.. in which he opened his hand with a gold statue of me standing in his hand... He gave the statue a little golden bow and arrow.. and the little bugger set the arrow in the bow, and drew it back, aiming it at me... I played his game a little... I created a little statue of him in my hand, and while I was giving it a little bow and arrow, I skipped back two seconds, appeared behind Bhuda, and swung my sword through Bhuda's neck faster than he could have known it was coming... He vanished... I crushed the little statue of him... I hears a deep belly laugh from my 8:oclock... I imitated his great laugh... I still didn't find any gods...

I saw into death seven times, over the line and back... I saw no gods... I've met hundreds of "greater Beings", but they were only bits of Life, not gods...

You show me a god.. or even a tiny piece of your great "god"...
Prove to me that your god isn't bullshit...
Prove to me that humans didn't invent god...
Detail the reality of just one good thing your god has done...
Give one tiny but of honest tangible proof your god exists...
You can't... You've got nothing... You don't even have a prayer...

Your god is as good as poop, and deep inside you know it's just a fantasy, written by the sci-fi writers of the time, to quiet and help manage the unruly parentless teens of the time, a couple thou years ago... and the Romans used it to gain back the lost taxes after Pete and Christ's silent coup attempt of the existing government... your Christ died for his own sins...

If you think you are jesus, clap your hands...

[Ady6970]

For somebody who's supposedly a writer of 35 years standing, I found that post remarkable in itself. A large part of it was barely intelligible. That to one side, let's focus on what I did manage to deduce from it. So, you have searched the world and found no evidence for the existence of God. At the same time, however, you've found nothing to remotely disprove the existence of God. In short, you cannot make the case either for or against. Have you not studied the natural world with all it's beauty, wonder and complexity - and wondered how it could possibly have come into being without a Creator? My view is that the evidence fror God, if such evidence were to be deemed necessary, is to be found all around us in the forests, hills, plains, rivers, oceans - not forgetting our fellow men and women.

[The Colonel]

For somebody who's supposedly a writer of 35 years standing, I found that post remarkable in itself. A large part of it was barely intelligible. That to one side, let's focus on what I did manage to deduce from it. So, you have searched the world and found no evidence for the existence of God. At the same time, however, you've found nothing to remotely disprove the existence of God. In short, you cannot make the case either for or against. Have you not studied the natural world with all it's beauty, wonder and complexity - and wondered how it could possibly have come into being without a Creator? My view is that the evidence fror God, if such evidence were to be deemed necessary, is to be found all around us in the forests, hills, plains, rivers, oceans - not forgetting our fellow men and women.

I see that as evidence of science.

[cosmicB]

For somebody who's supposedly a writer of 35 years standing, I found that post remarkable in itself. A large part of it was barely intelligible."




That's cuz you ain't ever been here... You haven't seen what I've seen...
I essentially went to and through heaven and hell, and a thousands times beyond, and back... Ironic that your hell is hidden behind your heaven, essentially occupying the same spot... It may well be that your heaven is "hell's kitchen"... More and more it's looking that way...

The science I experienced, mankind will never be able to put into words, nor symbols...

In a peak trance experiment, I actually had in my fist, the next 150-million light year's sciences... but on return trip most of it leaked out, as a vapor trail.. it was painful to view... I hadn't figured how to seal it till all I had left was 2500-years worth of our future sciences... You can't imagine how big that Hurt, to realize I had just lost a 150-million years worth of new science because I failed to seal it properly as a DNA memory-dot... I think I stood up, and kicked my ass.. or at least, thought of it..? All I got was 14 new sciences, and their 1400 technologies... And whenever I feels that sting again, I numbs it by thinking that maybe all I could hold was 2500-years worth...
Even the simple stuff turned-out to be way too far for your species to even consider it being a remote possibility... I couldn't pull a single one of you out of the mud... if I did you'd always bite me and jump back to what's comfortable and common, and dated...

Maybe you can't fathom this stuff, because you haven't switch your mind On yet..?

Teach me where you're at... What's your peak..?



"That to one side"...


Why's it got to be pushed to a side..?

Isn't that sort of like pushing a chair to the wall of a box..?

I have no walls... I found some big Life.. and now I'm driving it... I don't need you for anything... You need what I got to beat your extinction.. and I ain't gonna spoon-feed it to anybody... I build it in my lab or it don't get done.. and your species can go have a nice extinction... cuz everything you apes are doing to the planet is killing her... Those disasters is life-support crashing... It's dying right under your feet, and you still strike blows to her trembling sobbing corpse...



"let's focus on what I did manage to deduce from it. So, you have searched the world and found no evidence for the existence of God."

Got that right!..



"At the same time, however, you've found nothing to remotely disprove the existence of God."

I think we just did that...



"In short, you cannot make the case either for or against."

How many times we gotta say the same thing?..



"Have you not studied the natural world with all it's beauty, wonder and complexity - and wondered how it could possibly have come into being without a Creator?"


Not Sh*t!.. ..Then I started meeting parts of the things that makes Life be Life...

I maintain my spirit at "loving all life" when I'm solo in the forests... where I sing, the trees fill with birds and squirrels singing at the top of their lungs... is when I can listen to the silent gaps in their music, is when harmonies form, like waves and silent gaps... Listening into one of those gaps, is like embracing all the other universes... it's a bit of a rush.. one you couldn't buy for all the treasure in this universe... you have to be here to feel it... and I don't do "soul to souls" anymore, cuz you critters always bite... You go figure what's the sound of "no hands clapping"...

I go for a walk in the jungle, meeting critters like I'm their best friend... I raise my hand, and think into the center of a flying bird or bug.. I telepath into it, "I'd like to meet you if you'd like to meet me".. and sometimes they decelerate, and land on me.. usually on my head or nose... It's a bit unnerving to have a wicked large shiny-black wasp walking on my face in staccato.. and walking over my eye... BlackWidows let me pet them... Snakes don't fear me... Moose and elk play silly games with me...
I once watched a dragonfly resting on my nose for about a whole minute... It's a continuous-rush when nature loves you... Mankind has lost its love for itself...

What is it you can teach me about nature that I haven't already got in the bag..?



"My view is that the evidence for God, if such evidence were to be deemed necessary, is to be found all around us in the forests, hills, plains, rivers, oceans - not forgetting our fellow men and women."

That's Life.. just Life... That's just a thin dirt-coating, what washes off...
Our food came from the dirt... We are children of the dirt... which mens we are children of the rock... which means we are children of the sun...

Sometimes I just drop to the ground, and hug my planet...
Once while I was huggin' her, I happened to open an eye, and see the sun shining through a blade of grass an inch from my eye... I started communicating with the blade of grass.. and actually got in... It was about to give me the guided tour, how it does it's sunlight chlorophyll thing, when a galloping german shepard, just let off the leash, at the park, ran right over me like it was totally blind... It probably saw me as a blade of grass... it tumbled over me, and flipped and rolled two 360's... I caught eye contact the moment it saw me, while its head touched the ground... I saw extreme shock... It ran away staggering and glancing back a lot...


You need to see the First Nation's North America Great Spirit's faces, to wake you up to a little reality...

Stand above the water, roughly 15-feet out from a shoreline...
look down the shoreline between 30-feet from you, to 70ish-feet...
Hold the water in one eye, the land in the other...
In your mind, switch them... then apply each to is opposite... The moment water becomes land, and land water.. you scan the shoreline for faces... touch them as you would have them touch you...


There's something real-big out there, in my trance experiments.. that I can reach to when I'm doing a "hands-on" thingy... I find it reaching to touch my reaching spirit-hand.. the moment it touches, is the moment my patient is healed... I could teach you all how to do this trick... that's all it is... you trick nature that it's well, and nature reflects your love, for you in your way... nothing to do with a god... It's just my buds.. way beyond your silly heavens and hells and pagan gods and bullshit sciences...

Some dance around fires... Some dance around candles...
Some fly... Some crawl... Some die...
None of you deserve my assistance...
you don't even deserve my smile...
Have a nice war...
I gotta push away from the computer, get dressed for 20-below, and go out to feed the squirrels and birds... Have you ever had a little bird land in your shirt pocket, look up into your eyes, and sing you a sweet little tune..? it feels like the planet just gave you a million-dollars what can't be spent...
It feels like it might be a "fuel" of sorts..? maybe "manna"..? Or maybe it's "grace"..? Or maybe it's "life-essence"..? Maybe it's all those things..? maybe it's just Life being itself at peak..?

You holding to a god, is like trying to do a speedboat race whilst dragging the anchor...

Have you got any proof there's a god?..
Just one teensie weensie tiny microscopic minuscule bit of proof is all I ask...

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[myron myron]

Did you take copious notes during your sojourns to Heaven and Hell such that you recall everything in such detail?

How long was each trip?

Where were you when you began each trip and what were you doing just before the trip began?

How did you know each of your trips to Heaven and Hell would be a roundtrip, i.e., did you book roundtrips each time?

Did everyone in Heaven and Hell speak English? If so, did the inhabitants of Heaven speak differently to the inhabitants of Hell (e.g., bad diction, curse words, slang, etc.)?

How does one find out the names of one's co-inhabitants in Heaven and Hell other than by asking? Does everyone wear one of those sticky paper name tags on their chest with "Hello, my name is____" printed on it and their name handwritten in the blank? Do people use last names in Heaven and Hell or do they just go by their first name?

Is there . and alcohol in Heaven or Hell?

I recall from another post that you said Heaven is "babeless" such that every man must bring his own babes. Is Hell babeless as well? If so, where do all the babes end up?

What were the latest fashions in Heaven and Hell last time you visited? Was it hot and humid in Hell? Do people wear bling in Heaven or Hell?

Do people have the same personality when they are in Heaven or Hell as they had during their earthly life?

Is there mail and phone service in Heaven and Hell? Are cell phones permitted?

Finally, do they take trevellers' checks in Heaven or Hell, or credit cards, or is everything in cash? If cash, what currency?

Thank you in advance for your anticipated enlightening replies to the above questions.

[cosmicB]

You are too confused.. heaven and hell are not places... They are cosmic mental anomalies.. like "stepping stones that you can't see in a muddy creek".. and are simultaneously "anchors", which prevent one from establishing the self in any realities beyond these earthly physical realms... You forget, this life is merely just a single lesson that you get through, then shake off this vehicle, and step into the next realm... but you need to qualify yourself to that realm, or you forfeit it to death.. is when all of you dies... Your proverbial "judgment day", is when you judge yourself by your own actions, or inactions, bathed in the pure honesty of all Life is... You can't lie to the cosmos...


Yes I do remember those trips very well... I recall everything with a photo memory, the likes of which you couldn't even read about... You might want to make a start in developing your own photo memory... Step-one is to learn to trust yourself... I.E.: Say I'm at a lecture.. and I don't have pen and paper, nor recording device.. and there are items I need to recall later... I simply address my spirit, "bring this back at X-o'clock tonight!, No option!"... Or if I do have a pen and paper, I might start a sketch, letting the content of the lecture guide my drawing... Then when I need to recall bits of the lecture, I simply study my drawings... One lecture had me drawing a huge cat, half the size of a pyramid, escaping from the pyramid... The guy beside me spectating me sketching, was sighing a lot...
On second thought, that stuff might be a little too difficult for you... Maybe you should start with establishing a "two-minute warning system".. and push it to the memory thing after that clicks... Umm?.. That's probably too hard too..? Maybe you need to start with step one... Step One: Next time you need to recall something, and for the life of you, you just can't get that item back...
Try this little trick.. You'll discover it sets you up on a path to "enlightenment"... You've forgotten something, and you desperately want to recall it, Now...
Take a series of progressive deep breaths.. but not so much that it makes you fall-over dizzy... Clear your thoughts to just imaging a blank piece of paper or screen in your mind's eye... I do so hope you've got your minds eye ability functioning... Image yourself fallen down a hundred feet down a well, with meter with wide walls.. you are expecting to get that memory back the instant you climb out of the well... You meticulously work your way up, seizing hand holds where you find them, and foot holds too, in the sides of the well shaft.. working your way up up to the top... The moment you flip your bum up out of the hole, like how we get into small boat from the water, onto the grass, suddenly the memory returns crisp and clear... Get a good handle on that ability before you try anything else... Then there are the 1500 more crucial lessons to get you to step two... You've got a lot of work to do...


On second thought, there's too much to teach you for you to become your basic self, and I just don't have strength, nor the time, nor the inclination, to fight you all just to wake a few of you up to some reality... Most of it is in my thousands of posts all over the Internet, in various forums.. most of which I've been banned from for the flame wars that do so very much enjoy... You search it out, and piece it all together, and grow yourself into what you truly are...

My biggest lesson came from the manuscript Yogi Alfred Naranna and I were working on... Alfred put Everything key of the great magic ancients in his manuscript, and I was editing it with all I had, and more, while his lessons were evolving me to places I never even knew existed... I had to test each lesson to its fulfillment, then correct it, to make it work when it didn't... It was like 14-years of ultra sorcery school... Actually it's just Life as good as it gets... Took me 14-years to perfect the lessons and finish the edits... but when I tried to find Alfred to tell him the good news, I found an Internet clipping, that someone had shot my friend on his doorstep...
If there was one single item that could be unleashed to teach you all you need to know about your untapped abilities, it is this priceless manuscript... But even as I do so want to share and publish it, I can't bring myself to do it, because most of you would seriously hurt yourselves, and others, using these extreme abilities without lots and lots of love and respect in you for all the things Life...
I wish you critters were in a state of mind that I could permit you to read this stuff... I can't!.. Especially when your wars and crimes are happening on earth with increasing prominence... Can't you see that the evil you critters do forfeits you all the prime-love waiting and longing to embrace you..? Love cannot exist where hate lives.. and these days huminsanity has lost all respect for humsanity... Seems humanity hates itself for the insane path it has taken... Just look around the planet.. this is as hell as we could make it be hell.. and its growing... yay america...


I never know if a trip is too be a "return-trip"... In some "trips" my body takes a fatal-jolt that stops everything dead, sometimes for several minutes... I really hates being dead when I'm horny... I guess I'm just lucky I am able to reboot me before things can't reboot...

There isn't anyone in heaven... Humans haven't made it that far... It's like an empty-box in Space.. more like a heavenly palace converted into a zoo by its fauna inhabitants, and by your prayers...
From what I saw, there was such a vile-stench from mounds of unanswered collective rotting prayer sobbings and pissy whiny demands, over centuries from the collective mindless lost faithfuls.. that there is no-way anything would want to live there, let alone visit for any duration.. except for the bugs... Seems humanity even polluted heaven... Fools!..

There are a type of creature there, that fed off the mounds of nauseating rot, which seemed to be prayer energies sent to a mental/cosmic focal-point.. splattered where they landed.. sometimes in the same places, thereby creating mounds of that sh*t... The fauna there looks a little like a thick flying-stingrays, which seem to act like "foot diameter suction cups"... They stick to ceilings and walls of the palace, and occasionally leap, and fly, or glide, to mounds to feed... They seem harmless... Maybe they are just large cosmic-viruses..? One would see them feeding off the piles of prayer energies, physicalized in that realm... I doubt they have names, nor relatives on earth, though I might be wrong..? maybe they are your family..?...

Heaven is definitely babeless... The whole cosmos is babeless.. and will probably remain that way, unless you critters wake to a little cosmic reality...


'Hope that helps loosen your knot some...

_____________________


OK.. I answered your questions as best I could for now... Now you answer my little question: "Have you got any proof there's a god?..
Just one teensie weensie tiny microscopic minuscule bit of proof is all I ask..."

[myron myron]

On second thought, there's too much to teach you for you to become your basic self, and I just don't have strength, nor the time, nor the inclination, to fight you all just to wake up to reality... Most of it is in my thousands of posts all over the Internet, in various forums.. most of which I've been banned from for the flame wars that do so very much enjoy...

How many forums have you been banned from for starting flame wars?

[cosmicB]

I haven't counted...

Get with the program!.. Answer my question...

[myron myron]

Have you been banned from more than 10 forums for starting flame wars? Look, you opened the door by mentioning it, so it's only fair that you provide some sense of the scope of your banishments.

In answer to your question, I have no direct proof that God exists. I have never personally seen God (to my knowledge) and have never met any credible person who has. Although in my opinion the infinite universe is dispositive circumstantial proof of God's existence, my belief in God is based solely on faith.