Am I wrong??

[Grindanger]

With out bashing you...because I don't think you should be bashed. You are willing to raise this child. Great. My advice to you is go talk to a lawyer FAST. I know you feel it is a lost cause, but you will kick yourself if you don't try EVERYTHING to save this baby. In the US they will not allow a divorce to go through if the wife is pregnant...EVEN IF IT IS NOT HER HUSBAND'S CHILD. Why should they allow her to abort if the mate she chose is willing to raise it? I don't care if she isn't ready to get fat, or stretch marks. That child has more than 1 biological parent and the other is willing to take on the responsibility. Why should that child die just because it's mother doesn't want to go through the process? Of course I am also for state mandated sterilization for women who have more than 2 abortions or more than 2 children out of wedlock and by different fathers. If they receive welfare I believe the state and the tax payers should have some say in how many kids we are willing to feed from those that are welfare hogs. I do not believe in abortion as BC. I would also go so far as to say if we ever end this crap of women being able to use it as BC, that if they dare purposely hurt themselves or under nurish their bodies and babies with the intent of miscarrying, that they be charged with endangerment to a child or premeditated murder. Am I harsh or what?

I don't know if a lawyer can help, but maybe you can find one willing to try to get father's rights in these situations stronger than they are now. Quite frankly I have seen SEVERAL cases of father's rights being limited where they should have been MAJORLY increased. Not all moms are saints. (from experience)

Sometimes we are thrown into struggles we don't understand because we are meant to make something happen that will change the world. Good Luck to you.

[Zenieth]

. Why should they allow her to abort if the mate she chose is willing to raise it? I don't care if she isn't ready to get fat, or stretch marks.

Because it's HER BODY. Do you not understand that????? I doubt most women decide to abort because they don't get fat or stretchmarks, what stupidty.

That child has more than 1 biological parent and the other is willing to take on the responsibility. Why should that child die just because it's mother doesn't want to go through the process?

It's not a "child" it's a fetus. "Pro-lifers" always pretend to value human life so much, but yet they are the ones who support capital punishment...have no qualms about killing a developed human being but a glob inside a woman's body than can be easily be flushed down the toilet is more worthy....what irony

Also, unless you're involved it's really none of your business who or why someone wants to get an abortion.

Of course I am also for state mandated sterilization for women who have more than 2 abortions or more than 2 children out of wedlock and by different fathers. If they receive welfare I believe the state and the tax payers should have some say in how many kids we are willing to feed from those that are welfare hogs.

Good thing you'll never have a successful career in politcs, hale Hitler.

I do not believe in abortion as BC.

Agreed.

[Grindanger]

Wow Zenith, you really are riding that fence hard. First you bash the guy becuase they had sex unprotected...giving us ALL the impression that YOU are the prolifer. Now you bash me because I think if you are a stupid woman and get yourself pregnant that the father should have some say because that baby...(has a heart beat after 14 days of conception) half belongs to him. I am NOT a prolifer and I am for the death penalty. My mother was raped, by a man who raped a woman down the street and got her pregnant. She carried that baby and raised that child. I feel in those instances abortion should be an option. But if you spread your legs for joe blow, and you get pg, and joe blow wants the baby, then in a way your body becomes half his until that child is born.

As far as my political career, you just never know. I have faith that there are other women (I know there are) that find this women's lib crap a bit out of control. Even the lady that started the movement regrets letting it go so far.

Hitler was trying to kill off a race. I am trying to keep my money in my pocket, not pay for lady Dorie's umpteen children. She can have 2 maybe even 3 if SHE can support them solely. If not she has no business reproducing. I mean didn't you point out in an earlier post of yours that we should be thinking of the children and the long term. WEll to me if you pump out kids you can't feed, then you aren't thinking of the children.

JMHO...

By the way, what business is it of mine unless I am involved... um...this post was about what we thought of this guys girl getting an abortion even though he wants the baby... THAT MADE IT A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION! Sorry we don't all agree with YOU.

[mostirreverent]

Are you offering to carry the child for her too? She does not want to be pregnant, end of story. No, she should not blame you, since ultimately she is responsible for not letting herself get pregnant. As for the abortion, depending on how far along she is, it is just a lump of cells. There is no such thing as a soul or life force. Just get rid of it like an appendix. If you don’t like pagans, try to pray your problem away and see how much help that does.

[gabeswife]

I am with Grindanger. GO talk to a lawyer, do something. The idea of someone thinking of getting an abortion at this very moment makes me just sick inside. This is only my second post and i havent read much here, so i dont know how much free speech there is, but all i have to say is pray! Pray so hard. i know i for sure will be. I know so many moms here on this side of wordl including myself that would take an unwanted baby and love it so much it couldnt see straight. I am sure it is no shocker i am totally pro-life. My babies were never mush or a "fetus". They were "knit together in my womb. pslm 139" just as the Lord promised. I am not some crazy bible thumping weirdo. I am a 26 yr old mama who loves her kids more than life and my heart is breaking for you and your little precious baby. I promise I will be praying for you and the mother of your baby and your baby!

[Lola]

With out bashing you...because I don't think you should be bashed. You are willing to raise this child. Great. My advice to you is go talk to a lawyer FAST. I know you feel it is a lost cause, but you will kick yourself if you don't try EVERYTHING to save this baby. In the US they will not allow a divorce to go through if the wife is pregnant...EVEN IF IT IS NOT HER HUSBAND'S CHILD. Why should they allow her to abort if the mate she chose is willing to raise it? I don't care if she isn't ready to get fat, or stretch marks. That child has more than 1 biological parent and the other is willing to take on the responsibility. Why should that child die just because it's mother doesn't want to go through the process? Of course I am also for state mandated sterilization for women who have more than 2 abortions or more than 2 children out of wedlock and by different fathers. If they receive welfare I believe the state and the tax payers should have some say in how many kids we are willing to feed from those that are welfare hogs. I do not believe in abortion as BC. I would also go so far as to say if we ever end this crap of women being able to use it as BC, that if they dare purposely hurt themselves or under nurish their bodies and babies with the intent of miscarrying, that they be charged with endangerment to a child or premeditated murder. Am I harsh or what?

I don't know if a lawyer can help, but maybe you can find one willing to try to get father's rights in these situations stronger than they are now. Quite frankly I have seen SEVERAL cases of father's rights being limited where they should have been MAJORLY increased. Not all moms are saints. (from experience)

Sometimes we are thrown into struggles we don't understand because we are meant to make something happen that will change the world. Good Luck to you.

Apart from the state mandated sterilization (it sounds a bit too nazi for me.Not that you are a nazi …),i think i agree with everything said.Get a damn lawyer.It's your baby,too !

[Zenieth]

Wow Zenith, you really are riding that fence hard. First you bash the guy becuase they had sex unprotected...giving us ALL the impression that YOU are the prolifer.

Huh??? I did? Well it wasn't my intention to give the impression I'm a pro-lifer. My whole argument from the get go was because they had unprotected sex multiple times knowing full well of the consequenece it could produce.

Now you bash me because I think if you are a stupid woman and get yourself pregnant that the father should have some say

I didn't think I was bashing you but if that's how you want to take it...ok then. I was arguing against your statement state mandated sterilization for women who have more than 2 abortions or more than 2 children out of wedlock and by different fathers please do not manipulate this and make it about something else.

because that baby...(has a heart beat after 14 days of conception)

Still does not qualify as a developed baby it is a fetus, that's a fact.

But if you spread your legs for joe blow, and you get pg, and joe blow wants the baby, then in a way your body becomes half his until that child is born.

The chances of the average joe blow wanting to keep the baby are very minimal and in the off chance (like this case) if he wants to keep it, I really don't think he has the right to dictate to a woman to carry a baby to term and then give it up to him is just outrageous to me. For the record, he is NOT doing this, good for him and for those telling him to get a lawyer that's just wrong...he's not even asking about this and didn't even bring it up initially....talk about selective reading.

As I said in another thread, women get the short end of the stick in just about every situation, this is the one area that they do have some control and here men are trying to take it away.

As far as my political career, you just never know. I have faith that there are other women (I know there are) that find this women's lib crap a bit out of control. Even the lady that started the movement regrets letting it go so far.

BTW, I'm NOT a feminist!!! I'm pretty much opposed to that whole idea. A lot of men agree that the ultimate decision should be the woman's since it's HER BODY...nothing to do with women's lib but it's so easy for you try and make it about that.

I am trying to keep my money in my pocket, not pay for lady Dorie's umpteen children. She can have 2 maybe even 3 if SHE can support them solely. If not she has no business reproducing. I mean didn't you point out in an earlier post of yours that we should be thinking of the children and the long term. WEll to me if you pump out kids you can't feed, then you aren't thinking of the children.

I agree totally but I still don't see how you or anyone else has the right to dictate what a woman can or cannot do with her body...that's fundamentally wrong...also JMHO. It's like forbidding smokers from smoking or obese people from eating junkfood because they're creating a burden on our health system. If you have a problem with the latter you should feel the same about the right to choose.

[mostirreverent]

I am with Grindanger. GO talk to a lawyer, do something. The idea of someone thinking of getting an abortion at this very moment makes me just sick inside. This is only my second post and i havent read much here, so i dont know how much free speech there is, but all i have to say is pray! Pray so hard. i know i for sure will be. I know so many moms here on this side of wordl including myself that would take an unwanted baby and love it so much it couldnt see straight. I am sure it is no shocker i am totally pro-life. My babies were never mush or a "fetus". They were "knit together in my womb. pslm 139" just as the Lord promised. I am not some crazy bible thumping weirdo. I am a 26 yr old mama who loves her kids more than life and my heart is breaking for you and your little precious baby. I promise I will be praying for you and the mother of your baby and your baby!

say what ever you like here, for the moment, it is still a free country/site.

Praying wont help. If knowing this woman would have an abortion, your god should have kept her (lucky) from becoming pregnant. Your god obviously does not care about her or what she does.

[Grindanger]

It is funny that Nazi is a word used here when offereing up the idea of state mandated sterilization. If you know ANYTHING about the Nazi movement they didn't care how many kids you had already. They only wanted you and your race dead.

Makes me want to ask what we think on this board about China and their government rule of only 2 children per household?

Things in this country are so out of whack from trying to meet the "PC" standard.


You have 2 weeks after you get yourself knocked up to make the decision to carry that baby or not without worrying about whether there is a heartbeat or not. That is 2 weeks after EACH time you choose to have unprotected sex. Go to your Dr. take the morning after pill each time...and pray that your Pagan beliefs are right. Why wait? Why do women wait until they KNOW they are pregnant to think "Oh maybe I should kill it" By the time your body KNOWS it is pregnant that baby has a heartbeat. Oh and the Lacey Peterson case has really set a standard for the way babies in the womb are seen. Be careful because I am willing to bet in the near future Dr.s will declare life starts sooner than you are willing to believe. THat will effect a womans right to abortion and the time period in which she has to get one.

If more men went to lawyers for their rights as fathers, in this instance and in child custody issues, I believe the pendulum will begin to swing at a more even stride. Maybe then women would appreciate their children more.

Girls, if you don't want to be pregnant, and you don't want to carry a baby for 9 months, keep your legs crossed, take your birth control.

Guys, if you are one of the men who would want the baby, make sure before you bed the next one that she has morals, character, and knows what responsibility means and IS WILLING TO ACCEPT IT.

[mostirreverent]

Her baby only had importance because someone wanted it. It is the same reason the US is not bombing/invading Sierra Leone. If someone lays claim to you, you are important, as in a parent saying that those cells are a child they desire. Otherwise, they are just an unwanted embryo.

It is not that killing (any) is wrong, it is just wrong to kill people that are “important”. That is why pro-lifers don’t mind killing Vietcong, Arabs, or communists.

[Zenieth]

Her baby only had importance because someone wanted it. It is the same reason the US is not bombing/invading Sierra Leone. If someone lays claim to you, you are important, as in a parent saying that those cells are a child they desire. Otherwise, they are just an unwanted embryo.

It is not that killing (any) is wrong, it is just wrong to kill people that are “important”. That is why pro-lifers don’t mind killing Vietcong, Arabs, or communists.

Excellent post.

[gabeswife]

Praying wont help. If knowing this woman would have an abortion, your god should have kept her (lucky) from becoming pregnant. Your god obviously does not care about her or what she does.

Wow, I am shocked by this comment, but I suppose i can understand where you are coming from with such simple thinking. If you knew anything about OUR God then you would know there is free will. God blessed these two people wtih an amazing gift, and she has free will to choose what to do now. God cares deeply about her and her baby, and the father. I am sure you at this point in your life you cannot grasp how true that is, but that is ok. God is knocking on your door, and you have free will to choose to open or not.

As for the "pro-lifers don't mind killing Vietcong, Arabs, or cummnists" comment, what an amazing assumption to make. You must not know a lot about "pro-lifers" because true pro-lifers know there is meaning in all life God created. I think you might be lumping the stereotypical Republican in with Jesus-loving-pro-lifers. Just know those are two totally different things.

And I would love an update about what is going on with the baby. Hey, new papa out there. What is going on?

[Scrumpy]

I don't blame either of you.
In the heat of passion, especially after a few drinks, people make unwise choices. You agreed together to go ahead with the withdrawl method...a calculated risk.
It backfired on you both, and I feel very sad for the situation you now find yourselves in.
Now your girlfriend is pregnant...she's scared and hormonal, which is why she is lashing out at you.
I'm afraid your wants are irrelevant atm. It is her body and the choice quite rightly is hers. You need to respect and support her decision and don't let the crackpots convince you to do otherwise.
You have offered her options other than abortion and she has declined them. Accept that.
The emotional blackmail going on in this thread makes me feel quite nauseous. Please do not get caught up in it.
This is an accidental pregnancy at a very early stage. Your girlfriend has made a difficult decision and you MUST support her in this or you are a weak and selfish man.

[Scrumpy]

Hey, new papa out there. What is going on?

I could slap you for this comment. How insensitive and manipulative.

[Zenieth]

If you knew anything about OUR God then you would know there is free will. God blessed these two people wtih an amazing gift, and she has free will to choose what to do now. God cares deeply about her and her baby, and the father. I am sure you at this point in your life you cannot grasp how true that is, but that is ok. God is knocking on your door, and you have free will to choose to open or not.

Care to explain how you know what our God is thinking and feeling? Did God come down and talk you specifically and tell you? Oh let me guess, you read it in the bible, right? Well you do know that the bible is written by man, right?

If a woman is raped, do you think she should be allowed to get an abortion?