Zeitgeist The Movie - Free to Download

[Death Touch]

i watched this movie last night for the first time. i am going to kill myself this weekend.

[Stockman73]

Dont kill yourself, the world is now yours! You know now there is no hell and no heaven. It's all bullshit to controll the masses of sheeple. This knowlege that should empower you! It's a gift like no other that free your mind alowing you to actually think for yourself.

Go forth and multiply and use your new found knowledge to bring uop you kids the same way; this is gilt-edged freedom.... Enjoy!

[Guest]

If Obama claims to be Christian, why doesn't their family celebrate Christmas?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12035.html

[Guest]

The fact that "Zeitgeist Addendum," a film about the economic crisis, came out so quickly after the economic crisis in October 2008 is evidence enough that it is New World Order (antichrist) propaganda: this film's release has been scheduled and staged; the first Zeitgeist was really to build up a brand name to release the second one, the addendum. Zeitgeist Addendum offers a Satanic utopian life on earth, and it playing right into the hands of the coming false messiah while getting people to reject the true Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ. It attacks Christianity in order to replace it with religion of its own, the new world, new age religion of antichrist. Zeitgeist Addendum uses brainwashing techniques to manipulate your critical thinking, making you more cognitively malleable and primed to absorb the ideology presented in the film with less critical filtering. Be wary of Satan's evil tongue: he is cunning and he can confuse you by steering you away from truth.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v16171910ngh ... t&order=mc

[Nefarious]

Yeah - I watched Zeitgesit addendum just this week and I'm kinda feeling like I wish I hadn't to be honest. It made me feel helpless and it was a bit of a hope killer - kinda like 'ignore this Obama guy, he's just part of the problem, we are the answer'. Well Obama has grown up in the world as it is too, just like me. And yeah, a lot of people see the problems with the system - economy for profit, not economy for the people, etc, and would like to see things change away from destructive models.

But how are they the answer? How do you get from a money driven market focused on profit to the absence of money entirely, being able to build new cities, cos it is cheaper than retouching existing ones - so using a whole bunch of new land for those cities when we need land for sustainable living?

They offer a utopia that seems so far out of reach but still a place it would be good to work towards. In the first instance, I would like to see a move from a tunnel visioned GDP focused economy to more of a 'how are our people doing' economy, and investment in building energy independent infrastructure - totally. Yeah, that will mean some of the things people make money off now will become redundant and perhaps eventually there could be a day when money was redundant.

I agree that all this debt, all this created money and paper is a house of cards and it enslaves us - no arguments there.

They do seem to have focused particularly on attacking Christ, Christians beliefs. I'm not really seeing the same attacks on Jewish or Muslim beliefs and all 3 religions are sons of Abraham faiths. Yes, there are a number of things about the story of Jesus Christ that have been recurring motifs in earlier stories of prophetic figures and anyone who has read about the ancient religions know that new religions tend to be influenced by the beliefs of people that come before - because, after all, new ideologies are more likely to gain traction when they contain something of familiarity to the new convert, etc. It is an easier sell. Let us not forget that religious texts are written by men, living in particular locations at the time of writing it, subject to particular social and political influences and sometimes putting some of their own stuff in to support their own agendas. Humans do that today - we haven't changed that much in 2000 years.

The problem is not that people have faith - I think faith is a good thing, people find it comforting. The problem is when faith in essentially the same thing is divided into different groups and then those groups are pitted against each other.

Now they did say something that is correct - we are all one - there is a great oneness, not just with humans - who vibrate on a similar channel - but with everything on this earth and in this universe. It is understandable that people sense that oneness, feel that tingle up their spine when they stop to connect with that sense of it, and it is understandable that over our existence we have personified that oneness in various forms that make sense to us culturally and socially. Such personifications have also enabled us to form collective rules for living together as a society, to minimize harm done to others and to work together.

And you know what? We are all immortal in a sense. We are made up of atoms from the collective whole, atoms suited to forming living creatures and in particular human beings. In this lifetime our atoms have constituted in a particular way. When that particular constitution expires we do not cease to exist, we simply change form. What made us still exists - those atoms still exist. How they reconstitute, who knows. We know that the perishable body is destined to return to the earth, disintegrate, but we are less sure about what happens to the 'energy' that is our consciousness.

Essentially, I think that if people want to believe in Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, etc, why try and smash it down? Instead, why not just focus on being tolerant of how different people understand their faith but work to remind everyone of our oneness and work to remove from the various religions any incitement to destroy people of a different faith than our own.

[mobadda]

NICE JOB

[Guest]

[quote="Nefarious"]http://zeitgeistmovie.com/dloads.htm

Just watched this tonight after a friend recommended it. Has anyone else seen it and what did you think?

I had heard some of it before, but not all of it.

It's all rather hopeless. All I can do as an individual is chose to live outside of that system so far as it is possible and be as self-sufficient as possible.

In the first instance, that means avoiding the debt trap and re-evaluating what is really necessary to have in my life and building reciprocation with others outside of the system (i.e. trading goods not cash).

Or, setting up sub-units of currency within a community setting. Yeah, that's better - then you can trade for what you need when you need it. But the currency has no capitalism on it :D[/quote]

[Guest]

thankssssssssssss

[Guest]

The following is a post from the maya12-21-12 forum on The Venus Project, which claims we can have an utopia society by balancing man, technology and nature, "a sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium:"
The Venus Project ("Zietgeist: Addendum") presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. There are many people today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology, over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems. As you will see, The Venus Project is dedicated to confronting all of these problems by actively engaging in the research, development, and application of workable solutions. Through the use of innovative approaches to social awareness, educational incentives, and the consistent application of the best that science and technology can offer directly to the social system, The Venus Project offers a comprehensive plan for social reclamation in which human beings, technology, and nature will be able to coexist in a long-term, sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium.

The plans for The Venus Project offer society a broader spectrum of choices based on the scientific possibilities inherent in current technology and direct that knowledge toward a new era of peace and sustainability for all cultures. Through the implementation of a resource-based economy, and a multitude of innovative and environmentally friendly technologies directly applied to the social system, The Venus Project proposals will dramatically reduce crime, poverty, hunger, homelessness, and many other pressing problems that are common throughout the world today.

One of the cornerstones of the organization's findings is the fact that many of the dysfunctional behaviors of today's society stem directly from the dehumanizing environment inherent in the existing monetary system. Moreover, the currently utilized random implementation of automation and other technologies have resulted in a fragmented, self-defeating trend occurring throughout the manufacturing and high-tech sectors of today's global economy--namely the technological replacement of human labor by machines. The Venus Project proposes a social system in which automation and technology would be intelligently applied and integrated into an overall social design where the primary function would be to maximize the quality of life rather than profits. This project also introduces a set of workable and acceptable human values that are more appropriate and in balance with our present state of technology.

http://www.thelambslain.com

[swee]

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/dloads.htm

Just watched this tonight after a friend recommended it. Has anyone else seen it and what did you think?

I had heard some of it before, but not all of it.

It's all rather hopeless. All I can do as an individual is chose to live outside of that system so far as it is possible and be as self-sufficient as possible.

In the first instance, that means avoiding the debt trap and re-evaluating what is really necessary to have in my life and building reciprocation with others outside of the system (i.e. trading goods not cash).

Or, setting up sub-units of currency within a community setting. Yeah, that's better - then you can trade for what you need when you need it. But the currency has no capitalism on it

Good post. It's refreshing to see there are people awake.

[Pseudo]

[quote="Guest"]The following is a post from the maya12-21-12 forum on The Venus Project, which claims we can have an utopia society by balancing man, technology and nature, "a sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium:"

snipped for brevity

integrated into an overall social design where the primary function would be to maximize the quality of life rather than profits. This project also introduces a set of workable and acceptable human values that are more appropriate and in balance with our present state of technology.

http://www.thelambslain.com[/quote]

Following anything and anyone from the disproved past is absolutely insane. Learn to protect yourself from them at all costs. Anything "out there" that needs an answer is much easier than we realize , the answer is and always has been "inside you."

All of these quotes, saying and stories were left by well meaning benevolent beings from the past for their future children of children to inherit. But as always happens, sociopaths twist them and become the "Teachers and Saviour's" by self proclamation
and we allow ourselves to be sheared again and even offer up our own children as offering to be sheared as well.

A man spent many years searching for enlightenment, where ever he traveled in his journey he would observe mankind abusing mankind and in desperation and anguish he finally lost his reserve and cried out loud to the spirit he was in search of.

"Great creator beyond my limited ability to comprehend, every where I see only the ugly, the unneeded, the evil and cruelty that we do. Why do you not do something to end this madness and save these poor wretched humans from themselves?"

From inside him came the reply:

"I did do something to and for each and everyone the same as I have done for you, but they only listen to what they can hear "out there" not what I say "In here"

So, as a mother bird watches her offspring leap from their perch to try their wings, so do I and we share the grief as we watch them fail, and the joy as they succeed.

[Nefarious]

These are the questions I have for the Venus Project:

a. The world is over-populated - what is your position on this issue and what solutions, if appropriate, do you see as viable?

b. You say it would be cheaper to build completely new cities - what would happen to the old cities? Would new land be used to create new cities and if so what effect would this have on the already limited and over-farmed land space available to create sustainable resources?

c. The 2nd movie recommends that people target their credit cards away from Citibank into other banks. Why target Citibank in particular? Does Citibank have a complex weave of subsidiaries so that people might simply be moving to another bank essentially owned by Citibank? Why was there no mention of simply getting rid of credit cards, paying them off - rejecting debt? Surely individual level rejection of debt is the fastest way to render the current system ineffective?

d. You say that we could have a society where money is eventually not even needed. What is the transition steps that you propose between the system as it is now and the system that you envisage? Would this require people to divert their money to you in the interim? If so, if people divert their money from the established system to the Venus project - this also means a diversion of power to the people in the Venus project. What fail safes are there that people in the Venus project will not abuse their power over the people if they were given it?

You see - one of the most tried and trusted ways of obtaining power in this world is to demonize existing power structures and get people on board with what you want to do. Many of the structures you demonize in the movie got their power from doing pretty much what your movie is doing - demonizing that which came before.

How could we be certain that this is not just capitalizing on our frustrations and then we find we have leaped from the frying pan into the fire? At the very least the Venus Project would have to allow itself to become something owned and developed collectively by humanity and power should not be allowed to become centralized within the project.

[swee]

Yeah - I watched Zeitgesit addendum just this week and I'm kinda feeling like I wish I hadn't to be honest. It made me feel helpless and it was a bit of a hope killer - kinda like 'ignore this Obama guy, he's just part of the problem, we are the answer'. Well Obama has grown up in the world as it is too, just like me. And yeah, a lot of people see the problems with the system - economy for profit, not economy for the people, etc, and would like to see things change away from destructive models.

But how are they the answer? How do you get from a money driven market focused on profit to the absence of money entirely, being able to build new cities, cos it is cheaper than retouching existing ones - so using a whole bunch of new land for those cities when we need land for sustainable living?

They offer a utopia that seems so far out of reach but still a place it would be good to work towards. In the first instance, I would like to see a move from a tunnel visioned GDP focused economy to more of a 'how are our people doing' economy, and investment in building energy independent infrastructure - totally. Yeah, that will mean some of the things people make money off now will become redundant and perhaps eventually there could be a day when money was redundant.

I agree that all this debt, all this created money and paper is a house of cards and it enslaves us - no arguments there.

They do seem to have focused particularly on attacking Christ, Christians beliefs. I'm not really seeing the same attacks on Jewish or Muslim beliefs and all 3 religions are sons of Abraham faiths. Yes, there are a number of things about the story of Jesus Christ that have been recurring motifs in earlier stories of prophetic figures and anyone who has read about the ancient religions know that new religions tend to be influenced by the beliefs of people that come before - because, after all, new ideologies are more likely to gain traction when they contain something of familiarity to the new convert, etc. It is an easier sell. Let us not forget that religious texts are written by men, living in particular locations at the time of writing it, subject to particular social and political influences and sometimes putting some of their own stuff in to support their own agendas. Humans do that today - we haven't changed that much in 2000 years.

The problem is not that people have faith - I think faith is a good thing, people find it comforting. The problem is when faith in essentially the same thing is divided into different groups and then those groups are pitted against each other.

Now they did say something that is correct - we are all one - there is a great oneness, not just with humans - who vibrate on a similar channel - but with everything on this earth and in this universe. It is understandable that people sense that oneness, feel that tingle up their spine when they stop to connect with that sense of it, and it is understandable that over our existence we have personified that oneness in various forms that make sense to us culturally and socially. Such personifications have also enabled us to form collective rules for living together as a society, to minimize harm done to others and to work together.

And you know what? We are all immortal in a sense. We are made up of atoms from the collective whole, atoms suited to forming living creatures and in particular human beings. In this lifetime our atoms have constituted in a particular way. When that particular constitution expires we do not cease to exist, we simply change form. What made us still exists - those atoms still exist. How they reconstitute, who knows. We know that the perishable body is destined to return to the earth, disintegrate, but we are less sure about what happens to the 'energy' that is our consciousness.

Essentially, I think that if people want to believe in Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, etc, why try and smash it down? Instead, why not just focus on being tolerant of how different people understand their faith but work to remind everyone of our oneness and work to remove from the various religions any incitement to destroy people of a different faith than our own.

Good post, thanks

[Nefarious]

Thanks Swee

[Guest]

[quote="Nefarious"]http://zeitgeistmovie.com/dloads.htm

Just watched this tonight after a friend recommended it. Has anyone else seen it and what did you think?

I had heard some of it before, but not all of it.

It's all rather hopeless. All I can do as an individual is chose to live outside of that system so far as it is possible and be as self-sufficient as possible.

In the first instance, that means avoiding the debt trap and re-evaluating what is really necessary to have in my life and building reciprocation with others outside of the system (i.e. trading goods not cash).

Or, setting up sub-units of currency within a community setting. Yeah, that's better - then you can trade for what you need when you need it. But the currency has no capitalism on it :D[/quote]